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Did I say we were in cap hell? No. Just making fun of you silver lining chumps.
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Bob, this thread has been you and swat crying about cap hell and mismanagement. Now it is apparent that we can free up upwards of $20m in space when we were supposed to have to scratch to even get under the cap and you are moving goalposts.
If you would like to talk about other issues like the oline, S, then fine but why do that in a thread titlted "We're sacrificing the future with cap restructures?"
If you would like to talk about other issues like the oline, S, then fine but why do that in a thread titlted "We're sacrificing the future with cap restructures?"
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And as has been pointed out, there really is no such thing as cap hell if you know how to manipulate the cap. Our problem stems from the fact that we have to restructure crummy deals for crummy and/or crusty players.
Stephen Jones is like a dime store charlatan. It's nothing savvy, just cheap tricks.
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What the fuck is the difference. We'll just waste it on non productive free agents or average Joes.
I can honestly say I'm not excited about the cap or free agency. I'm sure Jerry will ruin my excitement for the draft though. Can't wait to see what our first pick is.
I can honestly say I'm not excited about the cap or free agency. I'm sure Jerry will ruin my excitement for the draft though. Can't wait to see what our first pick is.
so what? is it your money? Pay Livings 40 mil per year for all I care, just make sure we can sign who we want, hold onto players we want and be able to look to upgrade our shitty 40 mil/per guard.
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The whole point is this cap money keeps getting carried over to the next year. How does that help our cap problems? What am I missing here?
I understand we restructured some contracts but they still get their money eventually, right?
I understand we restructured some contracts but they still get their money eventually, right?
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That's what I'm talking about. Now you feel all warm inside and cling to some superficial hope that change is a coming.
We'd save money by cutting Austin, yet here he still remains.
We'd save money by cutting Austin, yet here he still remains.
It's the same amount of money. It just gets transformed from base salary to signing bonus (guaranteed money). So if you were scheduled to make 9 mil per season this year in base salary, the team can turn that into a signing bonus and spread it out over the length of the contract. So they restructure for three years, give you 3 mil per in signing bonus, switch your salary to almost nil, and boom, they've saved 6 mil in cap space.
The Patriots (also in "cap hell") have done this the past two years with Brady, I think. Each year they make his salary something comically low, like 500k
The Patriots (also in "cap hell") have done this the past two years with Brady, I think. Each year they make his salary something comically low, like 500k
Because he's a good player. Stop being a fucking ******.
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Could we win as many games without Miles Austin? Quit being a fucking Jerry Hoarder Jr.
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1 player away, gais!!! Just need to draft 3 Olinemen with our 1st 3 picks and it's Super Bowl time baby!
None of that has fuckall to do with this thread. That's why it gets frustrating to have a conversation with someone who has topic ADD and if you settle one they completely shift to something else. See: all the idiot conservatives who argue with me about politics.
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Aww, look at poor superpunk suffering from jobberone withdrawals.
bbgun, tell everyone to keep it on topic, that way it'll make him feel better. Red lettering, stat!
bbgun, tell everyone to keep it on topic, that way it'll make him feel better. Red lettering, stat!
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What cap problems? I have yet to see one person make specifics about how much dead money we have now, next year or the following. Much less an actual accounting. We were not supposed to be able to get this much room this year. People just have no clue what they are talking about and like to cry.
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last time, then I give up.
before restructuring, here are the cap numbers for Miles Austin:
2013 base: $6,732,000 + 1,570,000 pro-rated bonus = $8,302,000 cap hit actual/money paid out by Jerry $6,732,000 over 17 weeks
2014 base: $5,500,000 + 1,570,000 pro-rated bonus = $7,070,000 cap hit/actual money paid out by Jerry $5,500,000 over 17 weeks
2015 base: $6,888,000 + 1,570,000 pro-rated bonus = $8,458,000 cap hit/actual money paid out by Jerry $6,888,00 over 17 weeks
(team option) 2016 base : $11,380,000 = + no pro-rated bonus = $11,380,000 cap hit/actual money paid $11,380,000 over 17 weeks
after signing a 4 year restructured deal he got a $4 million dollar signing bonus
2013 base 2,732,000 bonus - 2,570,000 cap hit - 5,302,000/actual money paid out $4 millon now plus $2,732,000 over 17 weeks.
2014 base 5,500,000 bonus- 2,570,000 cap hit - 8,070,000
2015 base 6,888,000 bonus- 2,570,000 cap hit - 9,458,000
2016 base 11,380,000 bonus - 1,000,000 cal hit 12,380,000
Miles restructuring freed up $3 million dollars in cap room and in actual dollars paid out, costs the Cowboys the same. Now Midswat is right about if we had to cut him tomorrow we just cost us more because the accelerated bonus would now be $8,710,000 instead of $4,710,000. I'm just guessing here, but by restructuring Miles I'm going to go out on a limb and say they do not plan on cutting him tomorrow.
If they were to cut him after the 2013 season, it would create a cap hit of $6,140,000 which is less than his 2014 cap number of $8,070,000, and creates $1,930,000 in cap room. Before restructuring, and if he was cut after next season it would
In either scenario, Miles was never going to see that 2016 salary when he will be 32.
So with being $22 million over the cap, we absolutely had to restructure. This move alone took $3 million off the books and cost Jerry the same amount in actual salary paid out over the next year. He can still be cut after next season and create additional cap room. We pushed $4 million dollars that would have been part of Miles 2013 salary anyway out over 4 years.
Cutting Austin now (before restructuring) would have saved us $3,592,000 in cap room. Restructuring saved us $3,000,000 in cap room. So the question is would you rather have Miles Austin at starting receiver or $592,000 in cap room to try to replace him?
before restructuring, here are the cap numbers for Miles Austin:
2013 base: $6,732,000 + 1,570,000 pro-rated bonus = $8,302,000 cap hit actual/money paid out by Jerry $6,732,000 over 17 weeks
2014 base: $5,500,000 + 1,570,000 pro-rated bonus = $7,070,000 cap hit/actual money paid out by Jerry $5,500,000 over 17 weeks
2015 base: $6,888,000 + 1,570,000 pro-rated bonus = $8,458,000 cap hit/actual money paid out by Jerry $6,888,00 over 17 weeks
(team option) 2016 base : $11,380,000 = + no pro-rated bonus = $11,380,000 cap hit/actual money paid $11,380,000 over 17 weeks
after signing a 4 year restructured deal he got a $4 million dollar signing bonus
2013 base 2,732,000 bonus - 2,570,000 cap hit - 5,302,000/actual money paid out $4 millon now plus $2,732,000 over 17 weeks.
2014 base 5,500,000 bonus- 2,570,000 cap hit - 8,070,000
2015 base 6,888,000 bonus- 2,570,000 cap hit - 9,458,000
2016 base 11,380,000 bonus - 1,000,000 cal hit 12,380,000
Miles restructuring freed up $3 million dollars in cap room and in actual dollars paid out, costs the Cowboys the same. Now Midswat is right about if we had to cut him tomorrow we just cost us more because the accelerated bonus would now be $8,710,000 instead of $4,710,000. I'm just guessing here, but by restructuring Miles I'm going to go out on a limb and say they do not plan on cutting him tomorrow.
If they were to cut him after the 2013 season, it would create a cap hit of $6,140,000 which is less than his 2014 cap number of $8,070,000, and creates $1,930,000 in cap room. Before restructuring, and if he was cut after next season it would
In either scenario, Miles was never going to see that 2016 salary when he will be 32.
So with being $22 million over the cap, we absolutely had to restructure. This move alone took $3 million off the books and cost Jerry the same amount in actual salary paid out over the next year. He can still be cut after next season and create additional cap room. We pushed $4 million dollars that would have been part of Miles 2013 salary anyway out over 4 years.
Cutting Austin now (before restructuring) would have saved us $3,592,000 in cap room. Restructuring saved us $3,000,000 in cap room. So the question is would you rather have Miles Austin at starting receiver or $592,000 in cap room to try to replace him?
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Depends. Can you sign soneone to the same 8 game contract miles signed?
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the latter, most definitely, cmd.