We're sacrificing the future with cap restructures

[dbair1967]

Never said we were the only team to have to deal with dead money.

But we seem to have more dead money than most teams consistantly.

I'd like to see some proof of this. It may be true for some seasons, but highly doubt its a year after year thing the way you make it seem.

Wish we could've learned from those 1 or 2 years.

They apaprently did, the cap hasnt ever been an issue otherwise.

Lets be honest, if either of those two are starting this year, then the team has flat out failed.

I doubt both start. Wouldnt be surprised if one does.

Here's the thing - the guaranteed money will weigh in when deciding if they should be released (when, in reality, it shouldn't be a consideration). And if they are released, then that just means you guaranteed a million dollars that will count against your cap for a player no longer on your team.

It wont for players like Livings and Bernadeau because to release either of them has little impact, especially if its done after June 1 (which it would be for either of them, because they'll want to see if they can win jobs during camp/preseason first)

If Bernadeau isnt a starter, he might be safer on the roster than Livings would be because he can backup/play 3 positions, whereas Livings is pretty much a G only. If Livings is beaten out, he would probably be released IMO.

 

[Midswat]

They apaprently did, the cap hasnt ever been an issue otherwise.

JFC dbair, if you don't think starting the offseason 20 million over the cap is not an issue, then you're either hopeless or trolling.

 

[dbair1967]

JFC dbair, if you don't think starting the offseason 20 million over the cap is not an issue, then you're either hopeless or trolling.

You really are clueless, or just being a troll on purpose.

Day one of free agency is 11 days away, and we are 5 million under the cap.

Who the fuck cares what they are in relation to the cap in January and February, other than you apparently.

 

[Midswat]

True or false: we started the offseason 20 million over the cap

Just answer the question.

 

[dbair1967]

I already did, nobody with the exception of you really cares because it doesnt matter.

All that matters is where they are once the official league year starts.

 

[Midswat]

No... walk with me here and listen (or read).

We started the offseason 20 million over the cap.

20 million over the cap after going a combined 22-26 the past three years. Zero playoff appearances.

We're now a reported 5 million under the cap. Still not enough to do anything in free agency. Barely enough to sign our own draft picks.

More money will come, with more restructuring - I get that.

But let me tell you why this is a problem, and not the minor deal you're trying to make it out to be....


We had to work magic and move a 23 million dollars into future years just to barely scrap by today.

We got to where we are by restructuring deals. Not by prudent cap management in the least.

Every one of the 31 other teams in the league could do the exact thing that we did, and create an additional 23 million in cap space.

Thing is, the lions share of the teams in the league don't need to go to such extreme measures to squeeze under the cap.

THAT is why this is an issue.

We're not managing our cap well.

We haven't been managing our cap well.

We continue not to manage our cap well.

Furthermore, we're not learning how to manage our cap well.


You're simply looking at the end result and saying "Hey, we did it! We're under the cap!"

The reality is.... if a team that has gone 22-26 over the past three seasons shaves 23 million in cap space heading into the league year, they should be doing it to become players in free agency to allow themselves to compete.

We're shaving 23 million to get under the cap just to meet league requirements.

It.

Is.

A.

Motherfucking.

Problem.

Get it?

 

[GloryDaysRBack]

The real answer is that neither one of you know whether it's a problem or not. And neither do I.

If it isn't a bad idea to do all this restructuring, why did the skins stop doing it?

I could be wrong here, but since Allen has taken over, I want to say they have stopped using this tactic to maneuver around the cap.

Again. I don't know the answer either, just thinking out loud.

 

[Midswat]

We're a team that has gone 22-26 over the past three seasons.

We have holes at major holes to fill along both trenches, at RB, S, and linebacker.

We have only 6 draft picks.

And we had to push 23 million just to barely squeeze under the cap this year, just so the league wouldn't smack our hands with a ruler.

But hey... this is not a problem.

Why? Because GO COWBOYS!!!!!!!!!

 

[GloryDaysRBack]

But if the cap steadily increases every single year, why not use that to your advantage?

 

[GloryDaysRBack]

Granted it doesn't go up by anywhere near what we just "borrowed"

 

[bkeavs]

Miles Austin restructures his contract

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02-28-2013, 06:49 PM




Miles Austin restructures his contract

Posted by Josh Alper on February 28, 2013, 5:24 PM EST


If you want to restructure your contract for the 2013 season, Dallas is the place to do it.

The Cowboys announced that wide receiver Miles Austin and center Ryan Cook have both agreed to restructure their contracts. The team also announced the previously reported moves to alter the deals of linebacker/defensive end-to-be DeMarcus Ware, tight end Jason Witten and cornerback Brandon Carr, the moves are designed to drop the Cowboys under the salary cap before the start of the league year on March 12.

Austin did not take a pay cut, but did shift some of his $6.732 million base salary to a signing bonus in order to spread the cap hit out over the three years left on his deal. Like all the other restructuring around the league, it is a save now and pay later deal that will mean more salary cap squeezes in the years to come for the Cowboys.

Guards Mackenzy Bernadeau and Nate Livings were also reported to have restructured their deals, although there was no announcement by the team to that effect. Defensive tackle Jay Ratliff and cornerback Orlando Scandrick have also been talked about as candidates for altered deals, and there’s still the possibility of an extension for quarterback Tony Romo that would account for even more 2013 cap savings in Dallas.

 

[Midswat]

^^exactly

 

[GloryDaysRBack]

That two liner doesn't prove anything.

 

[dbair1967]

ok...trolls win...we're doomed

if we're not 1-15 this year, we almost assuredly will be for the next decade because you guys know more about managing the cap than the people running the team and designing the contracts

 

[GloryDaysRBack]

Don't get it twisted though. While I admit that I'm unsure bc I don't follow the cap rules closely. I definitely lean towards middys side that we suck at managing the cap

 

[bkeavs]

That two liner doesn't prove anything.

you sure about that

 

[dbair1967]

I could be wrong here, but since Allen has taken over, I want to say they have stopped using this tactic to maneuver around the cap.

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One player likely to discuss restructuring his contract appears to be cornerback DeAngelo Hall. His current deal would count $8 million against next season’s cap and he could be released if the two sides cannot agree to a reworked deal. But a renegotiation might not be necessary if the Redskins manage to get salary cap space restored. Hall said at the end of the recently completed season that he would be willing to discuss a reworked deal to remain with the team.

Veteran wide receiver Santana Moss also could be a candidate for a contract restructuring. Moss’s current contract would count $6.1 million against the cap.

 

[Midswat]

ok...trolls win...we're doomed

if we're not 1-15 this year, we almost assuredly will be for the next decade because you guys know more about managing the cap than the people running the team and designing the contracts

Try to not act like a three year old here.

I don't think anyone is saying we're doomed or suggesting 1-15 seasons.

Just that we're grossly mismanaging our cap.

 

[Midswat]

I could be wrong here, but since Allen has taken over, I want to say they have stopped using this tactic to maneuver around the cap.

One player likely to discuss restructuring his contract appears to be cornerback DeAngelo Hall. His current deal would count $8 million against next season’s cap and he could be released if the two sides cannot agree to a reworked deal. But a renegotiation might not be necessary if the Redskins manage to get salary cap space restored. Hall said at the end of the recently completed season that he would be willing to discuss a reworked deal to remain with the team.

Veteran wide receiver Santana Moss also could be a candidate for a contract restructuring. Moss’s current contract would count $6.1 million against the cap.

Those players are going to be asked to take a pay cut to stay with the team. Not have the team convert base 2013 salary into signing bonuses.

glorydays point still stands.

 

[dbair1967]

No... walk with me here and listen (or read).

We started the offseason 20 million over the cap.

20 million over the cap after going a combined 22-26 the past three years. Zero playoff appearances.

We're now a reported 5 million under the cap. Still not enough to do anything in free agency. Barely enough to sign our own draft picks.

More money will come, with more restructuring - I get that.

But let me tell you why this is a problem, and not the minor deal you're trying to make it out to be....


We had to work magic and move a 23 million dollars into future years just to barely scrap by today.

We got to where we are by restructuring deals. Not by prudent cap management in the least.

Every one of the 31 other teams in the league could do the exact thing that we did, and create an additional 23 million in cap space.

Thing is, the lions share of the teams in the league don't need to go to such extreme measures to squeeze under the cap.

THAT is why this is an issue.

We're not managing our cap well.

We haven't been managing our cap well.

We continue not to manage our cap well.

Furthermore, we're not learning how to manage our cap well.


You're simply looking at the end result and saying "Hey, we did it! We're under the cap!"

The reality is.... if a team that has gone 22-26 over the past three seasons shaves 23 million in cap space heading into the league year, they should be doing it to become players in free agency to allow themselves to compete.

We're shaving 23 million to get under the cap just to meet league requirements.

It.

Is.

A.

Motherfucking.

Problem.

Get it?

Like I said earlier. Lather, rinse, repeat. You crow the same garbage every year and in 21 years of the cap, its been an issue maybe once or twice. And one of those was because 1) the team was absolutely loaded like no other with talent and 2) the cap was extremely small

Almost every team in the league at some point has had issues with being up against or over the cap. If you have a talented, veteran team its unavoidable, and this team hasnt been devoid of talent. There's alot of really good players here. Some of these guys are among the best in the league at their positions and you have to keep them.