We're sacrificing the future with cap restructures

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I agree that juggling the cap is a natural thing and all teams do it. But we're juggling the cap because we've paid out money to Marion Barber, Roy Williams, Terence Newman, Gerald Sensabaugh, TO, Ratliff, etc. Unneedingly.

Newman's off the books come next year. Sensabaugh ban be cut right now for signifcant savings. Ratliff can be cut next year for more savings. The rest of those guys aren't even on the cap anymore now.

Signing Lee and Hatcher next year will be possible even if we do sign Spencer. It's like all of you guys really suck at math and do not even want to look at specifics.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Game.

Set.

Match.

Dave may well be a fucktard but claiming your own victory indicates anything but you winning.

 

[Midswat]

kthx!

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Newman's off the books come next year. Sensabaugh ban be cut right now for signifcant savings. Ratliff can be cut next year for more savings. The rest of those guys aren't even on the cap anymore now.

Signing Lee and Hatcher next year will be possible even if we do sign Spencer. It's like all of you guys really suck at math and do not even want to look at specifics.

Just posting a litany of bad deals which is a microcosm of why we have to play cap roulette every year, like how we tried to get one over the league with the Miles Austin contract.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

And you want to re-sign Hatcher now? Oh FFS.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

What is our cap situation next year with players under contract, prorations and dead money? Even ball park. Anyone?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

And you want to re-sign Hatcher now? Oh FFS.

i said possible and Hatcher took a pittance last time and is an above average player. Yes, I would like to retain him assuming he stays healthy next year. At any cost? Of course not but you guys seem mentally incapable of considering specifics. Just generalitiy after generality.

 

[cmd34]

Yes. They took non-guaranteed money and made it guaranteed money.

You keep saying this but it's more like up-front money vs long-term money. When a player is cut down the road this "guaranteed " money is fictional. The accelerated bonus hit is not actual money and in most cases, the cap hit is less than the players actual cap hit would have been had they played out their contract.

We aren't a mediocre team because of restructuring. We are mediocre because of lousy coaching and poor talent evaluating. We don't seem to value the middle rounds in the draft. We seem to think guys who can't play for other NFL teams can suddenly play for us.

The Carr signing can actually help us. He basically got 2 huge signing bonuses in 2 years. Agents for free agents take notice of that kind of thing. The drawback is Jerry has to shell out more up front money (actual cash). This is where Jerry excels. Top valued franchise, high merchandise sales. revenue from the stadium means Jerry can sign big bonus checks. There are owners out there not willing and/or not able to spend like that.

Jerry just needs to stop signing crappy free agents like Brodney Pool, Nate Livings, Bernadeau, as well as mid-round gambles like AOA, Arkin, Matt Johnson so that we have a better overall roster.

 

[cmd34]

I also like that we did all this without even touching Romo. His contract has huge potential to free up cap room. Plus, cutting Spears, Free, Connor, and Sensabaugh frees up more room.

We should be able to sign 2 quality free agents IMO.

 

[GloryDaysRBack]

Give me 4 serviceable guys instead. We need depth

 

[BraveHeartFan]

Why do people worry about this same thing every year? We constantly hear about how we're not going to be able to do this or that with the cap and every year that the Boys really want to they make moves, get plenty of room, and move on.

Do you think they're suddenly going to take restructing deals away? As long as they have the ability to restructure deals then they'll be able to do it every single year that they want/need to.

 

[dbair1967]

Uh, dipshit, I was 100% right.

We turned a million dollars of non-guaranteed money and turned it into guaranteed money that'll count against us even if this shit player isn't on the team.

We're a cluster fuck of an organization that has to reward aging and average players with guaranteed money just to squeeze under the salary cap. Not to sign a stud player at a glaring need. We're doing it just to get under the cap.

Game.

Set.

Match.

we're doomed...nobody should even watch anymore

 

[dbair1967]

Why do people worry about this same thing every year? We constantly hear about how we're not going to be able to do this or that with the cap and every year that the Boys really want to they make moves, get plenty of room, and move on.

Do you think they're suddenly going to take restructing deals away? As long as they have the ability to restructure deals then they'll be able to do it every single year that they want/need to.

Because there's a group of people here (and other places) that are only content if they bitch, piss and moan about something.

I can understand getting frustrated during a season when things dont go well (like alot of the last 3 seasons) but dont understand the offseason sulking and crying at all.

 

[dbair1967]

I also like that we did all this without even touching Romo. His contract has huge potential to free up cap room. Plus, cutting Spears, Free, Connor, and Sensabaugh frees up more room.

We should be able to sign 2 quality free agents IMO.

Thats what I am kinda thinking too.

 

[Midswat]

You keep saying this but it's more like up-front money vs long-term money. When a player is cut down the road this "guaranteed " money is fictional. The accelerated bonus hit is not actual money and in most cases, the cap hit is less than the players actual cap hit would have been had they played out their contract.

I keep saying it because it's true.

But converting base salary into signing bonus, it pushes money that otherwise would've been paid into the future remaining years of the contract. If that player is cut prior to contract completion, the guaranteed portion counts against the cap. AKA dead money.

We aren't a mediocre team because of restructuring. We are mediocre because of lousy coaching and poor talent evaluating. We don't seem to value the middle rounds in the draft. We seem to think guys who can't play for other NFL teams can suddenly play for us.

Do we suck exclusively because we can't manage the cap? No. There are a lot of reasons why we suck. These magic tricks we try to play with the cap certainly plays a role however.

The Carr signing can actually help us. He basically got 2 huge signing bonuses in 2 years.

I'm not complaining about the Carr restructure, to be honest. Guy is in his prime, I thought he played better than most did, and barring a catastrophic injury, he'll play out his contract during the best years of his athletic career.

The issue I have is guaranteeing money to older players and mediocre players.

Agents for free agents take notice of that kind of thing.

Pretty sure free agents already know we're one of the teams to go to to get retardly r

Jerry just needs to stop signing crappy free agents like Brodney Pool, Nate Livings, Bernadeau, as well as mid-round gambles like AOA, Arkin, Matt Johnson so that we have a better overall roster.

Agree with that. Or, when after signing them, giving them more guaranteed money.

As far as I'm concerned, the team should've giving Livings and Bernadeau the same ultimatum they're reportedly going to give Dan Connor. Paycut or haul ass.

 

[dbair1967]

I keep saying it because it's true.

But converting base salary into signing bonus, it pushes money that otherwise would've been paid into the future remaining years of the contract. If that player is cut prior to contract completion, the guaranteed portion counts against the cap. AKA dead money.

And every team has "dead" money. Unless every player reaches the end of every contract, or receives no up front money, there will always be "dead" money on the cap.

Do we suck exclusively because we can't manage the cap? No. There are a lot of reasons why we suck. These magic tricks we try to play with the cap certainly plays a role however.

As I mentioned before, I can only think of 1 or 2 years where cap "hell" really came into play here. There havent been many years we havent been able to go out and get a key player or two, or keep guys we really wanted to keep.

Agree with that. Or, when after signing them, giving them more guaranteed money.

As far as I'm concerned, the team should've giving Livings and Bernadeau the same ultimatum they're reportedly going to give Dan Connor. Paycut or haul ass.

The difference between Connor and the other two is Livings and Bernadeau have a chance at earning a starting job, whereas Connor does not. Connor's deal is also less cap friendly, hence why he was given the ultimatum.

They could still turn around and release Livings and/or Bernadeau later (like after preseason). What they did with Livings contract doesnt have much impact on the cap if he's released early at all.

 

[BraveHeartFan]

Give me 4 serviceable guys instead. We need depth

I am definately on board with that. I don't need all star players so I'd definately like to see them pick up a few, quality, players to get some depth on this team.

The worst was extending TO. Yeah, he came through for you for 3 years, but you didn't go anywhere with him. Let him ride out his current deal and be gone.

I agree with this as well. There was really no reason to extend him at that time anyway and if they'd waited, as they should have, then he could have just been allowed to walk the next offseason when they decided to do away with him anyway.

I think we were obviously right about Felix's talents. He is great in space, and he showed crazy talent his first couple years he just couldn't stay healthy. Then last year he just shit all over himself and was absolute garbage.

That's my feeling on him. The first two years he looked like exactly what they'd hoped he'd be. A really nice, change of pace, back up to Marion Barber. The problems were Barber went quickly down hill after signing his deal and Felix simply never could stay healthy.

That last couple of years I really feel like Felix play fell off for two reasons. I believe he lost confidence in himself almost completely, which is terrible for any athlete, and I think the weight and bulk he seemed to put on, in order to try and keep from getting injured as much and to deal with carrying the load, took away some of his quickness and explosion and ruined the things that he was originally good at.

Until it keeps us from signing someone we want then no, it doesn't matter.

Every team has to do the same thing. New Orleans will have to. New England is doing it already. It's just the way business is done. The shocking thing is that fans keep freaking out about it for no reason.

Agreed.

It's kept us from signing players we wanted to.

And it could keep us from signing Anthony Spencer this year - a player the team wants to keep.




I agree that winning teams traditionally have to juggle the cap.

Losing teams (see: us) that do it... well, that's a problem.

Who is the player we really wanted to sign that it's kept us from signing? I don't know of a single free agent in the last several years that Dallas was actively pursuing, and wanted, that they didn't get. Outside of that highly over paid corner in Philly and the cap didn't keep Dallas from getting him the fact that he'd rather play in Philly did.

 

[Theebs]

Who is the player we really wanted to sign that it's kept us from signing? I don't know of a single free agent in the last several years that Dallas was actively pursuing, and wanted, that they didn't get. Outside of that highly over paid corner in Philly and the cap didn't keep Dallas from getting him the fact that he'd rather play in Philly did.

According to Todd Archer last year because of the cap penalty and what was already spent we were unable to go after justin blalock as he said we wanted him. Once his salary went above 6 million a year we coudlnt pay him.

that is really the only example I know of in recent years.

 

[Midswat]

And every team has "dead" money. Unless every player reaches the end of every contract, or receives no up front money, there will always be "dead" money on the cap.

Never said we were the only team to have to deal with dead money.

But we seem to have more dead money than most teams consistantly.

As I mentioned before, I can only think of 1 or 2 years where cap "hell" really came into play here. There havent been many years we havent been able to go out and get a key player or two, or keep guys we really wanted to keep.

Wish we could've learned from those 1 or 2 years.

The difference between Connor and the other two is Livings and Bernadeau have a chance at earning a starting job, whereas Connor does not. Connor's deal is also less cap friendly, hence why he was given the ultimatum.

Lets be honest, if either of those two are starting this year, then the team has flat out failed.

They could still turn around and release Livings and/or Bernadeau later (like after preseason). What they did with Livings contract doesnt have much impact on the cap if he's released early at all.

Here's the thing - the guaranteed money will weigh in when deciding if they should be released (when, in reality, it shouldn't be a consideration). And if they are released, then that just means you guaranteed a million dollars that will count against your cap for a player no longer on your team.

 

[dbair1967]

According to Todd Archer last year because of the cap penalty and what was already spent we were unable to go after justin blalock as he said we wanted him. Once his salary went above 6 million a year we coudlnt pay him.

that is really the only example I know of in recent years.

I dont remember it being Blalock, pretty sure Atlanta was ultra aggressive in keeping him and resigned him pretty quick.

That said, they could have created the room had they wanted. They could have easily strucutred a deal that would have kept him under the cap.

They could have signed him instead of Bernadeau/Lvings too.