Pressure will be on Jerry Jones as GM

[superpunk]

I think you'd be wrong if you think Jerry operates the same as he did from 1994-2002.

He's been humbled.

But when we start having success, he shows flashes of how bad he once was.

I'm just saying there's a chance.

 

[Cr122]

I'm just saying there's a chance.

[video=youtube;KX5jNnDMfxA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KX5jNnDMfxA[/video]

 

[Theebs]

He's shot this rumor down numerous times, so have people who worked with the team.

Aikman won the job easily as a rookie in training camp. Walsh only played when Aikman got hurt, and once Aikman was healthy he returned to the lineup. Walsh was traded the next yr.

What he did say was he took Walsh because after studying the NFL that you could never have too many good QB's, and that if more than one worked out you had a major pawn to trade. He also said there was nothing wrong with increasing the odds on hitting on someone.

actually if you read mike fisher's great book stars and strife you will see that aikman and jimmy didnt get along. Aikman said repeatedly to the staff that he didnt believe aikman was a winner and was unsure if he could become one.

It got so bad that the week leading into the rams game in 1990 someone on the staff let aikman know jimmy was saying it in meetings. Aikman went nuts. On the saturday night before the game in the hotel aikman was going to storm into jimmy's room and demand to be traded on monday morning.

Babe laufenberg sat him down and got him to think rationally and helped him get through it. Laufenberg was quoted as saying that aikman played one of his best games ever the next day and the 3-7 cowboys beat the rams and won 4 straight only to miss the playoffs when aikman was hurt and of course...laufenberg had to play!!

aikman went 17-32 303 yards 3 tds and 4 rushing yards.

this went unresolved and there were hard feelings until the start of the 92 season when aikman and jimmy had at verbally at a party at norv turners house. The staff and team used to have lots of parties and the qbs all hung at norvs house all the time..they used to sleep over. Anyway, someone hid aikmans coat, when he was ready to leave he couldnt find it and got all pissed off, turns out it was jimmy and it opened the lines of communication and they became friendly after that day.

I dont know anything about him preferring walsh but I know from that book and listening to laufenberg over the years he had lots of doubt about aikman until that 92 season. After that party they were tight.

 

[dbair1967]

actually if you read mike fisher's great book stars and strife you will see that aikman and jimmy didnt get along. Aikman said repeatedly to the staff that he didnt believe aikman was a winner and was unsure if he could become one.

It got so bad that the week leading into the rams game in 1990 someone on the staff let aikman know jimmy was saying it in meetings. Aikman went nuts. On the saturday night before the game in the hotel aikman was going to storm into jimmy's room and demand to be traded on monday morning.

Babe laufenberg sat him down and got him to think rationally and helped him get through it. Laufenberg was quoted as saying that aikman played one of his best games ever the next day and the 3-7 cowboys beat the rams and won 4 straight only to miss the playoffs when aikman was hurt and of course...laufenberg had to play!!

aikman went 17-32 303 yards 3 tds and 4 rushing yards.

this went unresolved and there were hard feelings until the start of the 92 season when aikman and jimmy had at verbally at a party at norv turners house. The staff and team used to have lots of parties and the qbs all hung at norvs house all the time..they used to sleep over. Anyway, someone hid aikmans coat, when he was ready to leave he couldnt find it and got all pissed off, turns out it was jimmy and it opened the lines of communication and they became friendly after that day.

I dont know anything about him preferring walsh but I know from that book and listening to laufenberg over the years he had lots of doubt about aikman until that 92 season. After that party they were tight.

If he had doubts about him he 1) Never would have traded Walsh after just one season and 2) He would have had a QB competition in training camp of 1992, after Buerlien had helped lead the team to 4 straight wins to close the season in 1991 and the teams first playoff win in almost a decade. Yet he did neither and even said during the playoffs in 1991 that Aikman would remain the starter regardless of what Buerlien did in the postseason.

Then you have the stuff that Jimmy and Aikman say (and have said for years) publicly, and all these little stories about a Jimmy/Aikman feud or Jimmy being a "non believer" just dont add up.

 

[Theebs]

If he had doubts about him he 1) Never would have traded Walsh after just one season and 2) He would have had a QB competition in training camp of 1992, after Buerlien had helped lead the team to 4 straight wins to close the season in 1991 and the teams first playoff win in almost a decade. Yet he did neither and even said during the playoffs in 1991 that Aikman would remain the starter regardless of what Buerlien did in the postseason.

Then you have the stuff that Jimmy and Aikman say (and have said for years) publicly, and all these little stories about a Jimmy/Aikman feud or Jimmy being a "non believer" just dont add up.

Its all in the book with quotes. Laufenberg has talked about it on the air many times. Like I said I have never ready anything that he liked walsh or anyone else more, just that he had alot of doubts about aikman. Read the book its great.

 

[dbair1967]

Its all in the book with quotes. Laufenberg has talked about it on the air many times. Like I said I have never ready anything that he liked walsh or anyone else more, just that he had alot of doubts about aikman. Read the book its great.

I just think if he really had all these doubts, his actions in what he did certainly dont support it. He would have given Walsh more time, and he certainly would have given Buerlien a legit chance to win the starting job in training camp of 1992. He did neither.

 

[superpunk]

Its all in the book with quotes. Laufenberg has talked about it on the air many times. Like I said I have never ready anything that he liked walsh or anyone else more, just that he had alot of doubts about aikman. Read the book its great.

Same stuff is in Boys will be Boys.

 

[Theebs]

Same stuff is in Boys will be Boys.

I haven't read that. Seems like its just crapola to get attenton.

At some point I will probably read it though. Stars and strife is so good because it is kind of like a written version of the 1992 americas team episode and fisher/whitt were actually beat writers for the team.

 

[Plymkr]

Boys will be Boys was a good read.

As long as you take it for what it is worth.

Only two people know the real story. And those two have their own versions.

 

[Clutch88]

There is not one ounce of pressure on Jerry Jones the GM. Jerry Jones the owner would never hold him accountable.

There may be a worse GM out there, but no other GM would have survived this long with one team with Joneses resume. I'm talking from the time he started "doing it his way". Not when Jimmy was doing his thing, or when Bill Parcells was hired to fix his bastard franchise.

:thumbsup

 

[VA Cowboy]

Hiring decisions and his personnel decisions both contributed to our decline.

I'll take that as a yes. I'm glad we had this talk.

It's definitely a yes. I've always contended Jerry's decisions as GM, both in regards to player personnel and his coaching hires have been the main factor in our decline and lack of success over the last 15+ years.

 

[superpunk]

It's definitely a yes. I've always contended Jerry's decisions as GM, both in regards to player personnel and his coaching hires have been the main factor in our decline and lack of success over the last 15+ years.

Good so he gets equal credit for what he has done the entire time he has owned the team, since you agree that he's been the same guy since forever. 3 super bowl titles in his tenure - NOT BAD.

 

[Jon88]

Good so he gets equal credit for what he has done the entire time he has owned the team, since you agree that he's been the same guy since forever. 3 super bowl titles in his tenure - NOT BAD.

Those three Superbowls were with Jimmy's players and we're lucky we got three instead of just two. Once he took over the drafting we all saw what happened.

 

[superpunk]

Jerry is like the anti-God. God gets all the credit when things go right and none of the blame when things go wrong. Jerry gets none of the credit when things go right and all of the blame when things go wrong. Maybe someday you guys will temper your bias against Jerry with a little realism, and discover that the truth is likely somewhere in the middle.

 

[VA Cowboy]

Good so he gets equal credit for what he has done the entire time he has owned the team, since you agree that he's been the same guy since forever. 3 super bowl titles in his tenure - NOT BAD.

I guess you missed the part "in the last 15" years. It wasn't until after Jimmy left that Jerry took full control over personnel and started hiring his puppet HC-in-name-only's so as not to be upstaged again.

 

[VA Cowboy]

Jerry is like the anti-God. God gets all the credit when things go right and none of the blame when things go wrong. Jerry gets none of the credit when things go right and all of the blame when things go wrong. Maybe someday you guys will temper your bias against Jerry with a little realism, and discover that the truth is likely somewhere in the middle.

If that's what people are doing then you'd have a point. But it's not, so you may want to try again. Fact is Jimmy and Parcells had far more control over their staff and personnel than any other coach during Jerry's ownership. Fact also remains that these are the only two times the franchise got turned around and headed in the right directions.

Not my fault that when Jerry has given control to quality HC's like Jimmy and Bill that we've succeeded and when he's been more hands on we've declined. Jerry's just not a good GM.

 

[Midswat]

Litmus test......

Everyone answer honestly....


If you were the owner of an NFL team, and had to hire a General Manager.

Would you hire Jerry Jones?

 

[Rock Slamdance]

Litmus test......

Everyone answer honestly....


If you were the owner of an NFL team, and had to hire a General Manager.

Would you hire Jerry Jones?

Nope.

I'd hire sbk.

 

[Midswat]

I sure as hell wouldn't hire Jerry, and I've actually been known to defend the guy from critics.

 

[Rock Slamdance]

I sure as hell wouldn't hire Jerry, and I've actually been known to defend the guy from critics.

If I'm an owner and looking at Jerry the GM for the last 15+ years, its not very impressive. I would me more inclined to go with some young up and comer.