Pressure will be on Jerry Jones as GM

Midswat · Jul 20, 2011

The VA Cowboy said:
What's that have to do with being hire to be a GM?

tongue-in-cheek.

But seriously, we got girls dancing on platforms and shit.

VA Cowboy · Jul 20, 2011

superpunk said:
ITP you make up events as you would like them to have been to suit your agenda, when in reality you have no idea how the front office has worked with Jimmy/ post-Jimmy/ With Parcells/ post-Parcells, etc. 'Twas all so "obvious" to your slanted POV.

So I take it you fall into the category that Jerry was the same GM who built the Cowboys into three time SB champs and then just hit a little 15 year run of bad to mediocre luck? Maybe he can shake it off and get back to being that great GM from when he first entered the league and knew nothing about running a franchise let alone being a GM.

VA Cowboy · Jul 20, 2011

Midswat said:
tongue-in-cheek.

But seriously, we got girls dancing on platforms and shit.

They hawt too

superpunk · Jul 20, 2011

The VA Cowboy said:
So I take it you fall into the category that Jerry was the same GM who built the Cowboys into three time SB champs and then just hit a little 15 year run of bad to mediocre luck? Maybe he can shake it off and get back to being that great GM from when he first entered the league and knew nothing about running a franchise let alone being a GM.

idk Scott Pioli hasn't won shit in a while, but he could bounce back.

I'm just saying you made all the "obvious" stuff up to suit your POV.

Cr122 · Jul 20, 2011

The VA Cowboy said:
So I take it you fall into the category that Jerry was the same GM who built the Cowboys into three time SB champs and then just hit a little 15 year run of bad to mediocre luck? Maybe he can shake it off and get back to being that great GM from when he first entered the league and knew nothing about running a franchise let alone being a GM.

Bingo.

VA Cowboy · Jul 20, 2011

superpunk said:
idk Scott Pioli hasn't won shit in a while, but he could bounce back.

I'm just saying you made all the "obvious" stuff up to suit your POV.

What was made up?

Midswat · Jul 20, 2011

The VA Cowboy said:
What was made up?

You don't actually KNOW the dynamics of the Jimmy/Jerry/front office relationship.

Noone does.

You could speculate on how it was, based on history.

I mean... I think they needed each other. And they worked great together.

It wasn't all Jimmy. You don't go from building a dynasty, to being average at best in Miami.

superpunk · Jul 20, 2011

Yeah basically.

Plymkr · Jul 20, 2011

Never stated that Jerry was as bad as Davis,

I stated that when Davis kicks the bucket, IMO, Jerry would be the holder of the crown.

Keep the fuck up ladies.

Cr122 · Jul 20, 2011

Midswat said:
You don't actually KNOW the dynamics of the Jimmy/Jerry/front office relationship.

Noone does.

You could speculate on how it was, based on history.

I mean... I think they needed each other. And they worked great together.

It wasn't all Jimmy. You don't go from building a dynasty, to being average at best in Miami.

Not for nothing, but he went from the Cowboys to the Dolphins.

To me it's like going from a Porshe to a Pinto.

superpunk · Jul 20, 2011

Cr122 said:
Not for nothing, but he went from the Cowboys to the Dolphins.

To me it's like going from a Porshe to a Pinto.

It also takes a hell of alot of luck to build a dynasty. We got lucky that Minnesota was in love with Herschel, and at a point where they thought they just needed one more piece. We got lucky that noone above us wanted Emmitt, and the people we would have taken instead were off the board. The Pats got lucky with Tom Brady (they and everyone else had already passed over him 5 times). To repeat that luck elsewhere would just be insane, and it's incredibly rare.

VA Cowboy · Jul 20, 2011

Midswat said:
You don't actually KNOW the dynamics of the Jimmy/Jerry/front office relationship.

Noone does.

You could speculate on how it was, based on history.

I mean... I think they needed each other. And they worked great together.

It wasn't all Jimmy. You don't go from building a dynasty, to being average at best in Miami.

I don't think it was all Jimmy. I just know that Jerry has been doing the same thing over the last 22 years. And I do know what happened in the first five years when Jimmy was here and Jimmy's staff and the great scouting dept. I also know who Jerry gutted that dept and what transpired beginning with the draft of '94, the first draft after Jimmy left, although I'm sure that's probably just one of those silly coincidences.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out. The team is transformed from 1-15 in year one to a back to back SB champion by year 5. The HC who had a large role in personnel leaves and the drafts immediately collapse. Then after a couple of years once the lack of a quality HC and poor drafts take root then entire team starts to collapse culminating years later into three straight 5-11 season. Then BP arrives on the scene, gains the most power of any coach since the days of Jimmy, and the team starts winning again and gets back to the playoffs.

But we're supposed to believe it's just a coincidence we had success when Jimmy was here and then after it fell off it just miraculously, unexplainably got better when BP arrived? Yeah, ok we'll go with that. Jerry's been the main force as GM since day one but just tends to have bad luck whenever a HOFer like Jimmy or BP leaves. lol

Midswat · Jul 20, 2011

Cr122 said:
Not for nothing, but he went from the Cowboys to the Dolphins.

To me it's like going from a Porshe to a Pinto.

Was Miami 1-15 the year before Jimmy arrived?

superpunk · Jul 20, 2011

The VA Cowboy said:
I don't think it was all Jimmy. I just know that Jerry has been doing the same thing over the last 22 years. And I do know what happened in the first five years when Jimmy was here and Jimmy's staff and the great scouting dept. I also know who Jerry gutted that dept and what transpired beginning with the draft of '94, the first draft after Jimmy left, although I'm sure that's probably just one of those silly coincidences.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out. The team is transformed from 1-15 in year one to a back to back SB champion by year 5. The HC who had a large role in personnel leaves and the drafts immediately collapse. Then after a couple of years once the lack of a quality HC and poor drafts take root then entire team starts to collapse culminating years later into three straight 5-11 season. Then BP arrives on the scene, gains the most power of any coach since the days of Jimmy, and the team starts winning again and gets back to the playoffs.

But we're supposed to believe it's just a coincidence we had success when Jimmy was here and then after it fell off it just miraculously, unexplainably got better when BP arrived? Yeah, ok we'll go with that. Jerry's been the main force as GM since day one but just tends to have bad luck whenever a HOFer like Jimmy or BP leaves. lol

oh look you're inferring / making stuff up again to suit your POV. :yawn

smiley:

Midswat · Jul 20, 2011

The VA Cowboy said:
I don't think it was all Jimmy. I just know that Jerry has been doing the same thing over the last 22 years. And I do know what happened in the first five years when Jimmy was here and Jimmy's staff and the great scouting dept. I also know who Jerry gutted that dept and what transpired beginning with the draft of '94, the first draft after Jimmy left, although I'm sure that's probably just one of those silly coincidences.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out. The team is transformed from 1-15 in year one to a back to back SB champion by year 5. The HC who had a large role in personnel leaves and the drafts immediately collapse. Then after a couple of years once the lack of a quality HC and poor drafts take root then entire team starts to collapse culminating years later into three straight 5-11 season. Then BP arrives on the scene, gains the most power of any coach since the days of Jimmy, and the team starts winning again and gets back to the playoffs.

But we're supposed to believe it's just a coincidence we had success when Jimmy was here and then after it fell off it just miraculously, unexplainably got better when BP arrived? Yeah, ok we'll go with that. Jerry's been the main force as GM since day one but just tends to have bad luck whenever a HOFer like Jimmy or BP leaves. lol

I'm not disagreeing with you.

But I think you underestimate Jerry's role in building that dynasty in the early 90's. Does he deserve all the credit? Hell no. Does he deserve an equal share of the credit? Hell no. Does he deserve some credit? Yes.

I think he felt insulted by Jimmy, and wanted to show he too could build a winner. He relied on ego, took too many risks, made stupid trades, and had too many yes men.

He finally came to his senses in hiring Parcells, and he's since improved.

The Jerry you see running the team now isn't the same guy from the mid-1990s.

superpunk · Jul 20, 2011

Wait a minute....are you telling me we won when we hired good coaches and drafted well and we lost when we hired bad coaches and drafted poorly???????? THIS IS SHOCKING, and it is obviously directly proportionate to the amount of control Jerry exerts over the team. I know this because of some graph I made up in my head.

VA Cowboy · Jul 20, 2011

superpunk said:
It also takes a hell of alot of luck to build a dynasty. We got lucky that Minnesota was in love with Herschel, and at a point where they thought they just needed one more piece. We got lucky that noone above us wanted Emmitt, and the people we would have taken instead were off the board. The Pats got lucky with Tom Brady (they and everyone else had already passed over him 5 times). To repeat that luck elsewhere would just be insane, and it's incredibly rare.

Whether it was Jimmy or Jimmy plus a lot of luck, or what I believe - Jimmy + a great staff and personnel dept + luck... the point is it wasn't due to Jerry doing then what he's done since those days starting in the spring of '94.

Cr122 · Jul 20, 2011

Midswat said:
Was Miami 1-15 the year before Jimmy arrived?

No. 9-7.

Midswat · Jul 20, 2011

Cr122 said:
No. 9-7.

Then how can you say Miami was a pinto, while Dallas was a porsche?

I don't get it.

superpunk · Jul 20, 2011

The VA Cowboy said:
Whether it was Jimmy or Jimmy plus a lot of luck, or what I believe - Jimmy + a great staff and personnel dept + luck... the point is it wasn't due to Jerry doing then what he's done since those days starting in the spring of '94.

This seems to be truthy according to the imaginary-head-graph. It checks out.

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