Pressure will be on Jerry Jones as GM

[superpunk]

The Homer side of me hopes your correct.

Just think about it though, When Jerry first bought the team Jimmy was in charge of a lot of the operations, because Jerry was still getting the business side of things in place.

I'll give Jerry a little credit, but in the beginning in 89' Jimmy built this team from the draft. He knew how to draft and get his players prepared for the games each week. Yeah, Jerry finalized on those things but Jimmy was the one who presented it to him. Now, when the finance side of the team was taken care of and Jerry had more time, he wanted in on the roster making.

I truly believe till this day that's most of the reason why Jimmy left. Sure he won't admit that to the media, but that's how it was. Now Parcells was a similar scenario, but I also believe to that Parcells burned out like he does everywhere he coaches. Parcells did a good job turning around a 5-11 team and playing with the cards he was dealt.

In the beginning he got his players to play for him, but just like Wade he seemed to lose the team eventually. Yeah, a change was needed, but Jerry should of just made Jason Garret the head coach right from the start not Wade. Now Jerry has said publicly that Jason has the say on who stays and who goes on the roster, which is good, but then he turned around and said that if he didn't agree with a move he could change his mind. Having said all of this let's just hope Jerry lets Jason do his thing, and stands back and learns something, because I'll tell you right now, if I had to choose between Jerruh's opinion or Jason's, I would go with Jasons.

I think Jason can be as good or better than Jimmy was. We'll never find out how good of a coach Jason really is if Jerruh holds him back. And I doubt Jason will stay here and allow it to happen. He's too smart for that.

I been reppin' Red Jesus ever since I named him Red Jesus.

 

[Cr122]

lol

 

[Rock Slamdance]

I wouldnt agree with that. Only so many teams get to the postseason, so getting there is a positive and not a failure. We werent expected to do much in 1998, but we won the division with a new HC. The 2003 team was expected to be a celler dweller and we made the playoffs. Nobody really thought we'd be a 13-3 team in 2007, and we rebounded nicely from a poor 2008 season to win the division again and win a playoff game over a hated rival. All those seasons were pretty positive IMO.

So your definition of success is not being awful? Respectfully, I disagree. were those seasons that we made the playoffs positive? Yes. But no matter how you slice it you can't say anything about this team having success with one measly playoff win in the last 15+ years.

All those playoff seasons that ended in quick playoff exits are just blips to me.

 

[superpunk]

So your definition of success is not being awful? Respectfully, I disagree. were those seasons that we made the playoffs positive? Yes. But no matter how you slice it you can't say anything about this team having success with one measly playoff win in the last 15+ years.

All those playoff seasons that ended in quick playoff exits are just blips to me.

You have to learn to appreciate the process.

 

[dbair1967]

So your definition of success is not being awful? Respectfully, I disagree. were those seasons that we made the playoffs positive? Yes. But no matter how you slice it you can't say anything about this team having success with one measly playoff win in the last 15+ years.

All those playoff seasons that ended in quick playoff exits are just blips to me.

So making the playoffs is he same in your eyes as going 7-9 or 6-10? (Or worse)

Sorry, but that just isnt true. The seasons without playoff wins might be disappointing, but it doesnt mean they were out and out failures. If the only barometer of "success" is winning in the postseason, not many teams would be considered successful. Only 12 of the 32 teams make the playoffs, it isnt like the NBA or NHL where it seems almost everyone gets in.

 

[Midswat]

I think someone was supposed to chime in and say "SUCSESS MEANS WINNING SUPER BOWL!!! NOTHING ELSE MATTERS!!!WE'RE DA COWBOYS!!!!!!11" by now.

 

[dbair1967]

I think someone was supposed to chime in and say "SUCSESS MEANS WINNING SUPER BOWL!!! NOTHING ELSE MATTERS!!!WE'RE DA COWBOYS!!!!!!11" by now.

Garrett's gonna win a couple here. I firmly believe it. And it will be soon.

 

[Rock Slamdance]

You have to learn to appreciate the process.

It would be easier to appreciate if it was not a 15 year process.

 

[Midswat]

Garrett's gonna win a couple here. I firmly believe it. And it will be soon.

I agree.

I think we win one within three years. And I fully expect us to seriously contend this year.

 

[Sheik]

No.

 

[Midswat]

No.

Below me.

 

[dbair1967]

I agree.

I think we win one within three years. And I fully expect us to seriously contend this year.

I think if Ryan mkes the impact alot expect as a DC, and the key guys stay healthy that we will definitely be in the mix this yr.

 

[cmd34]

I think if Ryan mkes the impact alot expect as a DC, and the key guys stay healthy that we will definitely be in the mix this yr.

I am also hopeful that Ryan makes a difference. Rob Ryan + 2 new safeties + less Brooking and more Lee & Carter should equal a much improved defense.

 

[Sheik]

Jerry loses the team tomorrow. Starts looking to get a job as a GM of one of the other 31 teams.

Everyone points and laughs.

 

[Rock Slamdance]

So making the playoffs is he same in your eyes as going 7-9 or 6-10? (Or worse)

Sorry, but that just isnt true. The seasons without playoff wins might be disappointing, but it doesnt mean they were out and out failures. If the only barometer of "success" is winning in the postseason, not many teams would be considered successful. Only 12 of the 32 teams make the playoffs, it isnt like the NBA or NHL where it seems almost everyone gets in.

If your not first, your last.

 

[Rock Slamdance]

Jerry loses the team tomorrow. Starts looking to get a job as a GM of one of the other 31 teams.

Everyone points and laughs.

Yes.

 

[superpunk]

I think he could get a job. Have you seen our awesome stadium?

 

[VA Cowboy]

arbitrary cutoff points ftw. Or were you not aware that he has owned/GM'd the team for more than 15 years?

Thas how i seez thru to ur haterade.

I'm fully aware of what the team has done the last 15 years as well as knowing what transpired and who was actually in control of the personnel and who just gave himself the title.
Anyone with a rational mind could see how things were run in the first 5 years of Jerry's ownership and who was really calling the shots. It's also easy to see what happened once Johnson left in '94 and then what transpired shortly thereafter once the horrible drafts beginning in '94 and presided over by Jerry and Lacewell began to take fruit by '97 and later.

So we can either see things for how they are or try and live in a fairy tale where Jerry had great success as the hands on GM the first 5-6 years and then just happened to hit on a 15 year of bad luck. Sorry, but I don't believe in such fairy tales. And I also know it was more than just Jimmy who was responsible for the SB success. I also know that success wasn't due to any great GMing by Jerry, because it was obvious that Jimmy was large and in charge in the war room and behind the scenes in those days while Jerry tried desperately to take a share of the spotlight and be looked upon as one of the boys. Of course we all have lived through what transpired not long after he put all of the spotlight on himself and took full control.

 

[superpunk]

I'm fully aware of what the team has done the last 15 years as well as knowing what transpired and who was actually in control of the personnel and who just gave himself the title.
Anyone with a rational mind could see how things were run in the first 5 years of Jerry's ownership and who was really calling the shots. It's also easy to see what happened once Johnson left in '94 and then what transpired shortly thereafter once the horrible drafts beginning in '94 and presided over by Jerry and Lacewell began to take fruit by '97 and later.

So we can either see things for how they are or try and live in a fairy tale where Jerry had great success as the hands on GM the first 5-6 years and then just happened to hit on a 15 year of bad luck. Sorry, but I don't believe in such fairy tales. And I also know it was more than just Jimmy who was responsible for the SB success. I also know that success wasn't due to any great GMing by Jerry, because it was obvious that Jimmy was large and in charge in the war room and behind the scenes in those days while Jerry tried desperately to take a share of the spotlight and be looked upon as one of the boys. Of course we all have lived through what transpired not long after he put all of the spotlight on himself and took full control.

ITP you make up events as you would like them to have been to suit your agenda, when in reality you have no idea how the front office has worked with Jimmy/ post-Jimmy/ With Parcells/ post-Parcells, etc. 'Twas all so "obvious" to your slanted POV.

 

[VA Cowboy]

I think he could get a job. Have you seen our awesome stadium?

What's that have to do with being hire to be a GM?