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I think it's personal with most people about Jerry. They just hate him and nothing short of a super bowl win is going to make that hate subside, so they say things like "we haven't had ANY success under Jerry" - you know that's not true we have a very talented team that has been a perennial contender since Bill got us turned around - but you dislike Jerry so much that you have to say things like that.

I don't have any problem with that. I hate Wade, I've hated him since we hired him, I hate his stupid face and I hate his stupid gut and I hated seeing him look helpless on the sideline.

But it's when people try to cage that hate into some sort of hyperbolic argument to make it sound like the person is worse than they really are, while still trying to appear objective. dbair and others do it with Parcells - they want to strip him of any credit for anything he did right while he was here and give it to someone else. People like you and 2222333333 and VA do it with Jerry.

It's ok if you hate him, just be real with it and stop with the exaggerating.


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You got my username wrong it is 2233. I know it can be difficult but take your time, you'll get it sport.
 
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I think it's personal with most people about Jerry. They just hate him and nothing short of a super bowl win is going to make that hate subside...

Did this actually make sense when you typed it? "it's personal...they just hate him." Why would someone just hate him?

The only thing I have against Jerry is what he's done with the Cowboys over the last 15 years. So I don't get how people think it's personal. As a person he's probably a nice guy who would be fun to watch a game with. The only issue I have with him is 100% football related.

And if it's "personal" like you try to claim, then how would the Cowboys winning a SB in the future change anything? Someone who's hatred of Jerry on a personal level likely wouldn't stop hating him simply because the team he owns won a SB.

This is the typical Zoner mentality. If someone has an issue with how Jerry has run/ruined the team, then just try to deflect it by claiming that person hates Jerry. No wonder you fit in so well over there.
 
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I agree that it's personal on some level. If the Cowboys won a Super Bowl this year, the people who haved bashed Jerry relentlessly would continue to do so.
 
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IDK. I don't understand the phenomena, I was just pointing it out.

That's because there is no phenomena. It's just an easy default by guys like you in order to deflect any just criticism away from the way Jerry has run the organization. "Hey, ignore what he posted because he just hates Jerry!!1111!!!".

Love him or hate him, the fact still remains that he's a horrible GM with a huge ego which has resulted in the Cowboys only having one playoff win in the last 15 years.
 

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That's because there is no phenomena. It's just an easy default by guys like you in order to deflect any just criticism away from the way Jerry has run the organization. "Hey, ignore what he posted because he just hates Jerry!!1111!!!".

Love him or hate him, the fact still remains that he's a horrible GM with a huge ego which has resulted in the Cowboys only having one playoff win in the last 15 years.

arbitrary cutoff points ftw. Or were you not aware that he has owned/GM'd the team for more than 15 years?

Thas how i seez thru to ur haterade.
 
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We have had one success since 1996. The only measure of success is wins in the post season. Every thing else is just fluff.
 
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I think it's easy to attribute much of our early success to Jimmy Johnson, his great coaching staff, the incredible number of drat picks, and quite frankly, luck (Emmitt falling to 17. Two linebackers Jimmy wanted going off the board early, etc).

You look at what Jerry has done post Jimmy - when he's wanted power, and it's just not that impressive.

It was attrocious for a number of years (1996-2002) and he HAS shown improvement... but he still leaves a lot to be desired.
 

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I think it's easy to attribute much of our early success to Jimmy Johnson, his great coaching staff, the incredible number of drat picks, and quite frankly, luck (Emmitt falling to 17. Two linebackers Jimmy wanted going off the board early, etc).

You look at what Jerry has done post Jimmy - when he's wanted power, and it's just not that impressive.

It was attrocious for a number of years (1996-2002) and he HAS shown improvement... but he still leaves a lot to be desired.

It doesn't really matter who gets the credit, we haven't won anything big in a while and it annoys me as much as anyone.

I just get really tired of the hyperbole, and people demanding one person be the scapegoat. I love Parcells, and hate it when people want to strip him of all credit for turning this team around. I'm meh on Jerry, but I hate it just as much when people want to paint him as some sort of incompetent-rube egomaniac, and try to pretend like this is not a very nice team we have right now. It's not perfect, but there aren't a whole lot of squads in the NFL I would trade it for (and Jerry has had a hand in building it). We just haven't gotten over that hump yet.
 
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I just get really tired of the hyperbole, and people demanding one person be the scapegoat. I love Parcells, and hate it when people want to strip him of all credit for turning this team around. I'm meh on Jerry, but I hate it just as much when people want to paint him as some sort of incompetent-rube egomaniac, and try to pretend like this is not a very nice team we have right now. It's not perfect, but there aren't a whole lot of squads in the NFL I would trade it for (and Jerry has had a hand in building it). We just haven't gotten over that hump yet.


Agreed that the hyperbole is ridiculous on both sides. I think we've all been guilty of it from time to time.

Some take it way too far, and you just have to figure out who they are, what their agenda is, and take it with a grain of salt.
 
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It doesn't really matter who gets the credit, we haven't won anything big in a while and it annoys me as much as anyone.

I just get really tired of the hyperbole, and people demanding one person be the scapegoat. I love Parcells, and hate it when people want to strip him of all credit for turning this team around. I'm meh on Jerry, but I hate it just as much when people want to paint him as some sort of incompetent-rube egomaniac, and try to pretend like this is not a very nice team we have right now. It's not perfect, but there aren't a whole lot of squads in the NFL I would trade it for (and Jerry has had a hand in building it). We just haven't gotten over that hump yet.

The Homer side of me hopes your correct.

Just think about it though, When Jerry first bought the team Jimmy was in charge of a lot of the operations, because Jerry was still getting the business side of things in place.

I'll give Jerry a little credit, but in the beginning in 89' Jimmy built this team from the draft. He knew how to draft and get his players prepared for the games each week. Yeah, Jerry finalized on those things but Jimmy was the one who presented it to him. Now, when the finance side of the team was taken care of and Jerry had more time, he wanted in on the roster making.

I truly believe till this day that's most of the reason why Jimmy left. Sure he won't admit that to the media, but that's how it was. Now Parcells was a similar scenario, but I also believe to that Parcells burned out like he does everywhere he coaches. Parcells did a good job turning around a 5-11 team and playing with the cards he was dealt.

In the beginning he got his players to play for him, but just like Wade he seemed to lose the team eventually. Yeah, a change was needed, but Jerry should of just made Jason Garret the head coach right from the start not Wade. Now Jerry has said publicly that Jason has the say on who stays and who goes on the roster, which is good, but then he turned around and said that if he didn't agree with a move he could change his mind. Having said all of this let's just hope Jerry lets Jason do his thing, and stands back and learns something, because I'll tell you right now, if I had to choose between Jerruh's opinion or Jason's, I would go with Jasons.

I think Jason can be as good or better than Jimmy was. We'll never find out how good of a coach Jason really is if Jerruh holds him back. And I doubt Jason will stay here and allow it to happen. He's too smart for that.
 

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We have had one success since 1996. The only measure of success is wins in the post season. Every thing else is just fluff.

I wouldnt agree with that. Only so many teams get to the postseason, so getting there is a positive and not a failure. We werent expected to do much in 1998, but we won the division with a new HC. The 2003 team was expected to be a celler dweller and we made the playoffs. Nobody really thought we'd be a 13-3 team in 2007, and we rebounded nicely from a poor 2008 season to win the division again and win a playoff game over a hated rival. All those seasons were pretty positive IMO.
 

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This is the typical Zoner mentality. If someone has an issue with how Jerry has run/ruined the team, then just try to deflect it by claiming that person hates Jerry. No wonder you fit in so well over there.

Mad irony bro.
 
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