Pressure will be on Jerry Jones as GM

[VA Cowboy]

I'm not disagreeing with you.

But I think you underestimate Jerry's role in building that dynasty in the early 90's. Does he deserve all the credit? Hell no. Does he deserve an equal share of the credit? Hell no. Does he deserve some credit? Yes.

I think he felt insulted by Jimmy, and wanted to show he too could build a winner. He relied on ego, took too many risks, made stupid trades, and had too many yes men.

He finally came to his senses in hiring Parcells, and he's since improved.

The Jerry you see running the team now isn't the same guy from the mid-1990s.

I think he was involved in the early days, but from all I witnessed then and read in articles then and the press conferences and war rooms, it was quite obvious that Jimmy was the primary personnel man making the decisions but Jerry being owner made sure he had the GM title and signed off on the decisions.

I do agree that our personnel dept has been much better though since BP overhauled it, although it's still a ways off from being what it was in the early '90's. And one of the other main issues besides personnel since Jimmy left has been with the type of coaches Jerry hired and the way he micromanaged them. Between Switzer, Gailey, Campo and Wade not one of them came close to having the power Jimmy or Parcells had and that was by plan. Jerry didn't want to be overshadowed during those years like he was when Jimmy was here. He made sure he would be the face of the franchise after Johnson left and we all paid the price for that.

As for the future I do think Garrett is ambitious enough to not be another puppet HC. And I think Jerry respects him enough to let him have control over his entire staff which is a no-brainer but something most HC's here haven't had the luxury of having. We still have issues with Jerry being in control of personnel but I agree it has been better since '03 than from '94-'02.

 

[dbair1967]

I don't think it was all Jimmy. I just know that Jerry has been doing the same thing over the last 22 years.

Whether you hate him or not, the statement above is not true. He has not operated the same. He was a total idiot from 1994-2002, but the day he hired Parcells and put him in charge of everything he DID change. He is not that same guy that he was from the time period after the split with Jimmy through Campo.

He's the GM in name only now. He is not solely making decisions on much of anything nowadays. He makes a convenient scape goat for alot of stuff, but his actual impact on the field is nill now.

 

[dbair1967]

Whether it was Jimmy or Jimmy plus a lot of luck, or what I believe - Jimmy + a great staff and personnel dept + luck... the point is it wasn't due to Jerry doing then what he's done since those days starting in the spring of '94.

Jimmy here was as good as it gets, but he made mistakes too. I'd be happy to recant alot of them for you if necessary.

Point is, no matter how good someone is they dont get everything right. Bill Belichick is universally regarded as the best HC/football man in the league, and he hasnt won a super bowl in 7yrs, and hasnt won a playoff game in 4.

 

[Midswat]

We still have issues with Jerry being in control of personnel but I agree it has been better since '03
than from '94-'02.

I'm glad you see things my way.

~unrolls sleeves~

 

[VA Cowboy]

Wait a minute....are you telling me we won when we hired good coaches and drafted well and we lost when we hired bad coaches and drafted poorly???????? THIS IS SHOCKING, and it is obviously directly proportionate to the amount of control Jerry exerts over the team. I know this because of some graph I made up in my head.

Other than the blabbering about some graph, I think you've hit on it.

 

[Cr122]

Then how can you say Miami was a pinto, while Dallas was a porsche?

I don't get it.

I'm being a Homer. Geesh..

Okay, a Porshe to a Volkswagon. Better?

 

[superpunk]

Other than the blabbering about some graph, I think you've hit on it.

So maybe (and you may want to consult the graph on this), Jerry is exactly the same as he's always been, we have just had more or less success based on how good his hiring decisions have been?

 

[VA Cowboy]

Whether you hate him or not, the statement above is not true. He has not operated the same. He was a total idiot from 1994-2002, but the day he hired Parcells and put him in charge of everything he DID change. He is not that same guy that he was from the time period after the split with Jimmy through Campo.

He's the GM in name only now. He is not solely making decisions on much of anything nowadays. He makes a convenient scape goat for alot of stuff, but his actual impact on the field is nill now.

That was actually a typo on my part. I fully agree that he hasn't been doing things the same for the last 22 years. The early years he was fixated on the financial issues of the organization while Jimmy and the personnel dept basically ran the football side. Then once Jerry's ego got bent out of shape and Jimmy was forced out Jerry took full control over the personnel with help from his confidant, Lacewell.

 

[Sheik]

You got the last word.

Thread closed.

 

[superpunk]

posting after lock

 

[VA Cowboy]

Jimmy here was as good as it gets, but he made mistakes too. I'd be happy to recant alot of them for you if necessary.

Point is, no matter how good someone is they dont get everything right. Bill Belichick is universally regarded as the best HC/football man in the league, and he hasnt won a super bowl in 7yrs, and hasnt won a playoff game in 4.

Of course he did, everyone does. Some just make a lot more mistakes than others, hence what happened when Jerry took full control in '94.

 

[VA Cowboy]

So maybe (and you may want to consult the graph on this), Jerry is exactly the same as he's always been, we have just had more or less success based on how good his hiring decisions have been?

Hiring decisions and his personnel decisions both contributed to our decline.

 

[Midswat]

So maybe (and you may want to consult the graph on this), Jerry is exactly the same as he's always been, we have just had more or less success based on how good his hiring decisions have been?

I think you'd be wrong if you think Jerry operates the same as he did from 1994-2002.

He's been humbled.

But when we start having success, he shows flashes of how bad he once was.

 

[superpunk]

Hiring decisions and his personnel decisions both contributed to our decline.

I'll take that as a yes. I'm glad we had this talk.

 

[Rock Slamdance]

Not to defend Jerry (whom I have never been a fan of), but Jimmy was not perfect. As super pointed out, we got a lot of luck, and lets not forget that Jimmy wanted to dump not only Aikman but Irvin at different points. luckily his staff talked him out of it.

 

[Cr122]

Not to defend Jerry (whom I have never been a fan of), but Jimmy was not perfect. As super pointed out, we got a lot of luck, and lets not forget that Jimmy wanted to dump not only Aikman but Irvin at different points. luckily his staff talked him out of it.

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[dbair1967]

Not to defend Jerry (whom I have never been a fan of), but Jimmy was not perfect. As super pointed out, we got a lot of luck, and lets not forget that Jimmy wanted to dump not only Aikman but Irvin at different points. luckily his staff talked him out of it.

Jimmy never wanted to dump Aikman.

 

[Midswat]

Jimmy never wanted to dump Aikman.

I've read and heard both that he never thought Aikman was a winner, and he early on loved Steve Walsh.

 

[dbair1967]

I've read and heard both that he never thought Aikman was a winner, and he early on loved Steve Walsh.

He's shot this rumor down numerous times, so have people who worked with the team.

Aikman won the job easily as a rookie in training camp. Walsh only played when Aikman got hurt, and once Aikman was healthy he returned to the lineup. Walsh was traded the next yr.

What he did say was he took Walsh because after studying the NFL that you could never have too many good QB's, and that if more than one worked out you had a major pawn to trade. He also said there was nothing wrong with increasing the odds on hitting on someone.

 

[Cr122]

I've read and heard both that he never thought Aikman was a winner, and he early on loved Steve Walsh.

Now why would he have loved Steve Walsh?

Oh!!!!! He played for teh Hurricanes!! Thatz whyz!