Trayvon Martin shooting: Zimmerman says Trayvon decked him, then began hammering him

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Midswat said:
I'm aware there was a high number of calls to 911 and the police.

Perhaps he didn't call 911 tihs time because he had been directed to in a previous call, to call the Sanford non emergency line for these types of incidents.

Or perhaps, as I said earlier, maybe he did call 911 and was transferred to the non-emergency call.

Nonetheless, I think this is a trivial detail either way.
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Of course you think it's trivial.
 
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lons said:
So your point is, if he didn't call 911 and he got his ass jumped it was his fault for only calling the non emergency number? I'm with Midswat, regardless of 911 or whatever the non emergency number was, he did call the police.
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No, that's not my point.

My point is George's story fails to add up the more you look at the facts.
 
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peplaw06 said:
Of course you think it's trivial.
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I'm not sure what that is even supposed to mean.

I mean... George called the cops, right? And he stayed on with the operator for an extended period of time, right? And he gave a play by play analysis of what was going on and tried to coordinate the arrival of the cops, right?

Clearly, there was cause for concern.


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After he said "these assholes always get away?" Yeah, ok.
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Yeah, because there had been a documented history of burglars getting away before the cops arrived in the past.

I don't think anyone is disputing that GZ suspected TM of casing houses and thought he might've been a burglar.
 
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Midswat said:
I'm not sure what that is even supposed to mean.

I mean... George called the cops, right? And he stayed on with the operator for an extended period of time, right? And he gave a play by play analysis of what was going on and tried to coordinate the arrival of the cops, right?

Clearly, there was cause for concern.

Yeah, because there had been a documented history of burglars getting away before the cops arrived in the past.

I don't think anyone is disputing that GZ suspected TM of casing houses and thought he might've been a burglar.
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I'm starting to think he didn't have real cause for concern, the more I look into this. I think he was an overzealous neighborhood watchman.

I mean, think about it. He starts with, "the guy look suspicious, like he's on drugs or something. It's raining and he's walking around looking about." He can't articulate anything that sounds suspicious to me or which leads me to believe Trayvon was on drugs.

Then after the incident, we start to hear Trayvon was looking into empty houses.

He says on the phone call, "these assholes always get away" then "shit he's running." Follows Trayvon for a few seconds. Dispatch tells him not to follow him. George says the cops need to call him when they get there and look for his truck.

The altercation clearly took place near a sidewalk behind the condos, away from the street. George clearly didn't stay at his truck. He again, pursued Trayvon on foot, failing to follow the police's specific instructions.

Then in an interview some months later, Zimmerman says Trayvon wasn't running? The one thing that lent credence to Zimmerman's suspicion, didn't happen?

There's so many holes, I don't see how anyone can believe him.
 
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Did trayvon have bloody knuckles? I suppose it could have gotten washed away

I bet zimm shot him after the fight. Only way he could pull that off IMO
 
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iceberg said:
then put yourself in that situation.

you're expelled from school. you're in a gated community. you're looking in windows of houses.

someone wants to know why.

they don't know your entire history but they know the history of their own home. and it sucks. people get robbed all the time and something must be done. we can freely judge one side over the other and lay on labels as we see fit but we can't ever put our own mindset into that night.

ever.

so we should fall back on common sense.

both were on edge. one for being tired of his neighborhood getting robbed a lot, the other for being expelled from school.

who over-reacted? zimmerman for wanting to stop a robbery, or trayvon for picking a fight?

yes, that's speculation.

what else do we have?

if i'm a stranger in a strange land, i have things to prove. there are many ways i can do it. is the one i need to prove it to the right one? no. not necessarily. but i could still play it cool and just say i'm here visiting my dad.

i simply don't and will never understand how it's a crime to ask someone why they're in my neighborhood but it's ok to beat the shit out of the person asking me.

we need to find some common ground or just walk away.
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For someone who has no horse in the race (your words) you certainly seem to take everything the defense has claimed as gospel.
 
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iceberg said:
define "initiate confrontation".

and not in a manner that drive a goal here.
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A grown man follows a child in a car and on foot, and when he meets up with him starts questioning his reasons for being there, is in my opinion initiating the confrontation. If he has stayed in his car and called the police none of this happens. Instead he confront a person minding their own business, in their fathers neighborhood (when he was staying with his father) without any authority to do so, any real reason to do it and after being told not to by 911.
 
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2233boys said:
A grown man follows a child in a car and on foot, and when he meets up with him starts questioning his reasons for being there, is in my opinion initiating the confrontation. If he has stayed in his car and called the police none of this happens. Instead he confront a person minding their own business, in their fathers neighborhood (when he was staying with his father) without any authority to do so, any real reason to do it and after being told not to by 911.
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A child. :lol

Zimmerman is 5'9 190 at the time of the altercation. Martin was 6'2" 180 at the time of the altercation. Lets not act like GZ followed an 8 year old around the neighborhood.

And by both Zimmermann and Trayvons girlfriends account, it was Trayvon that started the questioning.
 
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Jesus 2233... you're so ignorant on this case it's mind blowing.

Fundamental facts even.

It's laughable.
 
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Pep.... you're a lawyer, right?

Is the fact that Trayvons YouTube channel had a fight club style video that he was refereeing, or that fact that Trayvons cell phone had a video of two homeless guys fighting over a bike that Trayvon and friend set up... would that be admissable in court? Same question regarding his history with violence (bus driver incidence).
 
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Midswat said:
Pep.... you're a lawyer, right?

Is the fact that Trayvons YouTube channel had a fight club style video that he was refereeing, or that fact that Trayvons cell phone had a video of two homeless guys fighting over a bike that Trayvon and friend set up... would that be admissable in court? Same question regarding his history with violence (bus driver incidence).
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I wouldn't think it would be admissible.

That's character evidence used to show conduct in conformity and it's prejudicial against Trayvon. It would even be more prejudicial, since he doesn't get to tell his side of the story.
 
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Trayvons girlfriend... or the woman he was on the phone with at the time, doesn't appear to be a very effective witness. Mumbling, short 1 word answers. The prosecution keeps trying to coach her but shes struggling.

Shes' been asked to speak up at least twice by the judge.
 
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