Trayvon Martin shooting: Zimmerman says Trayvon decked him, then began hammering him

[iceberg]

when i lived in austin as a kid, i was what, 9 or 10? i sold subscriptions to the local paper and had to knock on a lot of doors. many times people in the community didn't know me, so they may ask me a question or two.

i'd just answer and move on.

i remember being in a black community and being told point blank "don't be here after dark". so i wasn't. but i played by the rules of where i was. i made smart decisions for what i was doing.

you can challenge whatever you like. just don't pretend you were right all along if it doesn't go your way. martin made some fucked up decisions that night too. he shares the blame of the outcome.

we all own the repercussions of the decisions we make.

period.

 

[JBond]

Walk through a neighborhood rhood you aren't particularly familiar with, yet have every right to be in, and see how you respond when someone eyes you down from their car and then gets out to follow you on foot.

The idea that this wouldn't be considered a threat is pretty laughable.

If someone attacked me I would shoot them. I say hi to all my parents neighbors when I house sit when they are out of town. I do not beat them. Which party has a history of attacking people for no reason?

 

[iceberg]

"yet you have every right to be in"

does that make it ok if i send people to come look in your windows? the rights he has are only equal to the rights he respects. he can't demand rights he's not willing to give. there's where the fucked up bullshit problems begin.

the rest is a fucking bullshit excuse.

 

[iceberg]

are you willing to take ownership for your decisions, or find excuses for bad decisions?

 

[peplaw06]

by what? trayvon felt threatened? by what? is asking someone why you're looking in the windows of empty houses threatening?

I've never heard anything about Trayvon looking in the windows of empty houses, until you brought it up. It's certainly not in the transcript of the call from Zim to police. Zim says, "this guy looks like he's up to no good, or he's on drugs or something. It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about." If Zim thought Trayvon was casing a place, don't you think he would have mentioned that to police, especially after saying there had been a rash of break-ins?

Why did he suspect Trayvon was on drugs? There's nothing in the call about why he said that.

The whole, "why are you looking in windows of empty houses" question sounds like Zim trying to cover his ass after the fact.

It's absolutely understandable that a 17 year old would feel threatened by being followed by a stranger at night in an unfamiliar neighborhood.

 

[peplaw06]

I say hi to all my parents neighbors when I house sit when they are out of town.

Trayvon should have gone through the neighborhood and introduced himself to everyone... "hey, my name is Trayvon, I'm walking to the store to get skittles."

 

[peplaw06]

I'm trying to do some digging. i don't think Zim called 911 on that night. I think he just called the non-emergency police number. for a guy who called police 50+ times for things such as garages and gates being opened, don't you think he would have called 911 if he thought a burglar who had broken into other houses was casing another place?

 

[Midswat]

I'm trying to do some digging. i don't think Zim called 911 on that night. I think he just called the non-emergency police number. for a guy who called police 50+ times for things such as garages and gates being opened, don't you think he would have called 911 if he thought a burglar who had broken into other houses was casing another place?

He called 911.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsuYjBrIwFI

 

[peplaw06]

30 minutes... Do you know where they say that it was a 911 call?

Aren't 911 dispatchers trained to say "911, what's your emergency?"

 

[Midswat]

30 minutes... Do you know where they say that it was a 911 call?

Aren't 911 dispatchers trained to say "911, what's your emergency?"

I cant' answer that. I'm not a 911 dispatcher. From watching a gazillion true crime shows, you normally hear that or some variation of that as the opening of the call.

Everything I've seen about this call refers to this guy as a 911 dispatcher. And everything I've read/seen/heard about this call is that it was a call to 911.

Maybe GZ called 911, the original operator determined it wasn't an emergency, and transferred it to this other guy? :confused

Emergency operator Sean Noffke, who answered Zimmerman's 911 call reporting the first sight of Martin, was among the witnesses as the prosecution set the scene on the night of Feb. 26, 2012. Zimmerman said he saw a youth, later identified as Martin, who looked suspicious.

 

[peplaw06]

A recount of Zimmerman's interview with Sean Hannity...

However, when asked whether he felt threatened by the teen during the time he called the police non-emergency line and told dispatchers that, Zimmerman responded, “no, not particularly.”

 

[peplaw06]

His story just doesn't add up...

Asked about the part of the call to the Sanford non-emergency line where Zimmerman can be heard saying “he’s running,” Zimmerman told Hannity he did not believe it was possible that Martin could have been running away from him out of fear. In fact, Zimmerman told Hannity that Martin wasn’t running at all.

“Is there any chance in retrospect as you look back on that night and what happened, and the nation obviously is paying a lot of attention to this … trying to maybe get into the mind-set, because we also have learned that Trayvon was speaking with his girlfriend supposedly at the time — that maybe he was afraid of you, didn’t know who you were?” Hannity asked.

“No,” Zimmerman said.

When Hannity reminded Zimmerman that he “said he’s running” on the taped call to police, Zimmerman said Martin as “like skipping, going away quickly. But he wasn’t running out of fear.”

“So he wasn’t actually running?” Hannity reiterated.

“No sir.”

“O.k. because that’s what you said to the dispatcher,” Hannity said, “that you thought he was running.”

Zimmerman also denied that he could be heard out of breath on the dispatch tapes, or that he was running — presumably in pursuit of Martin — that night. Hannity didn’t press him.

 

[Midswat]

Yeah, it very well might not've been 911. I'm not sure what the point of this detail is however.

 

[Midswat]

His story just doesn't add up...

Well, its obvious Martin wasn't running away. If he was, he would've gotten away.

Also obvious that Martin wasn't scared of Zimmerman. If he was, he could've gotten away.

 

[Midswat]

Trayvon Martin Fight Club

Video of Trayvon Martin reffing a fight in front of his house. It appears Trayvon and his friends enjoyed fighting. Martin is in the striped shirt and white hat.

So much for the MSM narrative that Martin was a terrified little boy who attacked George Zimmerman in self-defense. In fact, the video appears to support witness claims that Trayvon attacked Zimmerman and beat him "MMA" style.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=aa3_1337699720

 

[peplaw06]

Yeah, it very well might not've been 911. I'm not sure what the point of this detail is however.

I think as this trial moves along, you're going to hear a lot of 911 calls made by Zimmerman. I've heard it was 50+ police calls in the span of something like 2 years. Some of those are going to be 911 calls from what I hear. How many? I don't know.

But I think it's important, because if he really thought it was one of "the burglars" he likely would have called 911.

 

[peplaw06]

Well, its obvious Martin wasn't running away. If he was, he would've gotten away.

Also obvious that Martin wasn't scared of Zimmerman. If he was, he could've gotten away.

Zimmerman obviously didn't think that when he called police. He said, "Shit he's running," and started following. On the call you can hear the wind in the line, as though Zimmerman is running after him, or he's driving after him with the window rolled down. If he didn't think Martin wasn't running away, then why start to follow him?

 

[Midswat]

I think as this trial moves along, you're going to hear a lot of 911 calls made by Zimmerman. I've heard it was 50+ police calls in the span of something like 2 years. Some of those are going to be 911 calls from what I hear. How many? I don't know.

But I think it's important, because if he really thought it was one of "the burglars" he likely would have called 911.

I'm aware there was a high number of calls to 911 and the police.

Perhaps he didn't call 911 tihs time because he had been directed to in a previous call, to call the Sanford non emergency line for these types of incidents.

Or perhaps, as I said earlier, maybe he did call 911 and was transferred to the non-emergency call.

Nonetheless, I think this is a trivial detail either way.

 

[lons]

So your point is, if he didn't call 911 and he got his ass jumped it was his fault for only calling the non emergency number? I'm with Midswat, regardless of 911 or whatever the non emergency number was, he did call the police.

 

[Midswat]

Zimmerman obviously didn't think that when he called police. He said, "Shit he's running," and started following. On the call you can hear the wind in the line, as though Zimmerman is running after him, or he's driving after him with the window rolled down. If he didn't think Martin wasn't running away, then why start to follow him?

The same reason he was following him from the start... .to be able to give his location to the police upon their arrival.