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This is what I think happened based on everything I've read/seen/heard to date...

I think Zimmerman saw Martin and considered his actions suspicious, based on recent events. Said that Martin was standing in the rain looking at houses and when he (Martin) saw Zimmerman watching him he (Martin) put his hoodie on and started walking. I thikn Zimmerman called 911 to report it, and started following him. I think Martin at one point ran to get away. I think Zimmerman at that point got out and started following. Then, started walking back to his truck. This was all when he was on the phone with 911, and can be corroborated (as best as possible) by the audio.

I think (again based on all read/seen/heard) that Zim returned to his truck, or was in close proximity to it. 911 asked him for his address and he said he didn't want to say it out loud because he didn't know where the guy was (I guess fear could be guy might hear and thus know his address). Before getting off the phone, Zim asked the 911 op if the cops could call him when they got there so he could tell them where he was, then the call ended.

That, to me, suggests Zimmerman didn't know where Martin was, and was going to walk around looking for him. And this is why I don't believe that Martin was trying to get away. It would seem he had ample opportunity.

After the call ends, no one really knows what happens, but from everything I've seen/read/heard, I can honestly say that I think Zimmerman did in fact go looking for Martin. I think Martin, instead of running home or running away, probably hung around and was keeping an eye on Zimmerman. I think Zimerman and Martin (obviously) crossed pathes. That was when the "Why are you following me" and "What are you doing here" comments took place, followed by the altercation.

Yes, I think Martin initiated the altercation.

I can honestly say it doesn't make an ounce of sense to me that Zimmermann would give so much details to the cops, telling them exactly where he was, and knowing they were close, to walk up to Martin and start a fist fight. If you listen to the 911 calls, I believe that theory is supported. Zimmerman, for the duration of the call, is completely calm. No flaring tempers. No raised voice. He's calm the whole time.

I think, obviously, Martin was beating Zimmerman pretty good. And I don't think it's out the realm that Zimmerman feared for his life, and pulled the trigger.
 

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This is what I think happened based on everything I've read/seen/heard to date...

I think Zimmerman saw Martin and considered his actions suspicious, based on recent events. Said that Martin was standing in the rain looking at houses and when he (Martin) saw Zimmerman watching him he (Martin) put his hoodie on and started walking. I thikn Zimmerman called 911 to report it, and started following him. I think Martin at one point ran to get away. I think Zimmerman at that point got out and started following. Then, started walking back to his truck. This was all when he was on the phone with 911, and can be corroborated (as best as possible) by the audio.

I think (again based on all read/seen/heard) that Zim returned to his truck, or was in close proximity to it. 911 asked him for his address and he said he didn't want to say it out loud because he didn't know where the guy was (I guess fear could be guy might hear and thus know his address). Before getting off the phone, Zim asked the 911 op if the cops could call him when they got there so he could tell them where he was, then the call ended.

That, to me, suggests Zimmerman didn't know where Martin was, and was going to walk around looking for him. And this is why I don't believe that Martin was trying to get away. It would seem he had ample opportunity.

After the call ends, no one really knows what happens, but from everything I've seen/read/heard, I can honestly say that I think Zimmerman did in fact go looking for Martin. I think Martin, instead of running home or running away, probably hung around and was keeping an eye on Zimmerman. I think Zimerman and Martin (obviously) crossed pathes. That was when the "Why are you following me" and "What are you doing here" comments took place, followed by the altercation.

Yes, I think Martin initiated the altercation.

I can honestly say it doesn't make an ounce of sense to me that Zimmermann would give so much details to the cops, telling them exactly where he was, and knowing they were close, to walk up to Martin and start a fist fight. If you listen to the 911 calls, I believe that theory is supported. Zimmerman, for the duration of the call, is completely calm. No flaring tempers. No raised voice. He's calm the whole time.

I think, obviously, Martin was beating Zimmerman pretty good. And I don't think it's out the realm that Zimmerman feared for his life, and pulled the trigger.


To further support your point,we have to include the patterns of behavior.
Why was Martin in Sanford,FL during a school week?
He was suspended for assaulting a bus driver.
Trayvon was no angel and while his actions outside of Sanford are irrelevant to the case,they support the theory that a hot headed 17 year old may have acted in a less than irrational matter and initiated contact between the two.
Zimmerman's injuries are consistent with the ones suffered by a battery victim.
 

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This is what I think happened based on everything I've read/seen/heard to date...

I think Zimmerman saw Martin and considered his actions suspicious, based on recent events. Said that Martin was standing in the rain looking at houses and when he (Martin) saw Zimmerman watching him he (Martin) put his hoodie on and started walking. I thikn Zimmerman called 911 to report it, and started following him. I think Martin at one point ran to get away. I think Zimmerman at that point got out and started following. Then, started walking back to his truck. This was all when he was on the phone with 911, and can be corroborated (as best as possible) by the audio.

You can hear when he gets out of the truck and how long before he's told not to follow. It's like 10-12 seconds. The phone call continues for another couple minutes and yet you can't hear the door chimes going off again.

I don't think he returned to his truck at all or stopped following when he was told. One thing is for sure, it's unlikely he covered so much ground in those 10-12 seconds that he wouldn't have made it back to his truck by the end of the phone call.

How everything played out from that point on is pretty irrelevant to me. We're only going to get 1 side of that story because the other side is dead.

Ultimately, had Zimmerman returned to his truck and waited this whole thing wouldn't have happened.
 

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You can hear when he gets out of the truck and how long before he's told not to follow. It's like 10-12 seconds. The phone call continues for another couple minutes and yet you can't hear the door chimes going off again.

I don't think he returned to his truck at all or stopped following when he was told. One thing is for sure, it's unlikely he covered so much ground in those 10-12 seconds that he wouldn't have made it back to his truck by the end of the phone call.

How everything played out from that point on is pretty irrelevant to me. We're only going to get 1 side of that story because the other side is dead.

Ultimately, had Zimmerman returned to his truck and waited this whole thing wouldn't have happened.

had trayvon just said he was visiting his family, none of this would have happened.
 
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Yeah ignore how the kid attacked a man and was pounding his head into the concrete.

Yeah let's ignore the wannabe cop who got his ass beat because he followed and then confronted the kid for no reason. Then when he gets his ass kicked, because of a confrontation he initiated, he shoots and kills the kid.
 
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The guy should go to jail. He killed the kid and his actions caused the confrontation that lead to the kids death. That's all I'm saying.
 
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Yeah let's ignore the wannabe cop who got his ass beat because he followed and then confronted the kid for no reason. Then when he gets his ass kicked, because of a confrontation he initiated, he shoots and kills the kid.

Oh so basically you're just talking out of your ass because you're too emotionally invested in one side to see the entire picture objectively.

Gotcha.

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Oh so basically you're just talking out of your ass because you're too emotionally invested in one side to see the entire picture objectively.

Gotcha.

~flush~
Yeah my opinion doesn't match yours so I'm not objective but you are? :lol
 
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Yeah my opinion doesn't match yours so I'm not objective but you are? :lol

No, you're not objective because you're making ignorant comments like this:

Yeah let's ignore the wannabe cop who got his ass beat because he followed and then confronted the kid for no reason. Then when he gets his ass kicked, because of a confrontation he initiated, he shoots and kills the kid.
 

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had trayvon just said he was visiting his family, none of this would have happened.

Nobody knows if he did or didn't.

Not that it even matters, who the fuck is any single random Joe to follow and question someone else simply because that person suspects something?
 

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Yeah ignore how the kid attacked a man and was pounding his head into the concrete.

Nobody knows who attacked who.

What is known is that Zimmerman did get his ass handed to him and then shot a kid.

Pretending like anyone knows anything more than that as it pertains to who attacked who is just bullshit.
 
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Nobody knows if he did or didn't.

Not that it even matters, who the fuck is any single random Joe to follow and question someone else simply because that person suspects something?

A concerned citizen? Neighborhood watch captain?

Believe it or not... people report and follow up on suspicious activity all the time.
 

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A concerned citizen? Neighborhood watch captain?

Believe it or not... people report and follow up on suspicious activity all the time.

Sure. But they don't follow and question people. He called the cops, his duty as both citizen and self-appointed "Captain" was fulfilled.

What he did after that was beyond either of those things.
 
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No, you're not objective because you're making ignorant comments like this:

Yeah let's ignore the wannabe cop who got his ass beat because he followed and then confronted the kid for no reason. Then when he gets his ass kicked, because of a confrontation he initiated, he shoots and kills the kid.

I don't think that was an ignorant comment at all.
 
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Nobody knows who attacked who.

I believe its pretty safe to conclude that Martin initiated the phyiscal confrontation, for the reasons I outlined in post 1621.

What is known is that Zimmerman did get his ass handed to him and then shot a kid.

No doubt about it. He was getting his ass kicked. Broken nose. Head pounded against the concrete. So we both agree he used the gun in self defense. Good.


Pretending like anyone knows anything more than that as it pertains to who attacked who is just bullshit.

Yeah but you see it's weird how these cases and that whole policework lawyering stuff how they have to piece together evidence and try to determine as best they can what happened and present their case to the jury who, crazy as it sounds having not actually been at the scene of the incident have to digest all information and guestimate what happened.
 
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Sure. But they don't follow and question people. He called the cops, his duty as both citizen and self-appointed "Captain" was fulfilled.

What he did after that was beyond either of those things.

Oh. "They" don't? I trust you've reviewed every occurance in the history of mankind of a citizens being concerned with suspicious activity?

Not a single one of them ever followed up on or ~gasp~ dared to say "What are you doing?"



I don't think that was an ignorant comment at all.

Yeah... well.... thats like.... your opinion, man.
 
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