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hey - this site allows probably more than it should in free speech. if *we* as posters don't know how to contain ourselves, what are they supposed to do? i could have my brother in FL look up ben and get his entire history but why? to win a forum argument? sometimes we get along, usually we don't but it's just a forum. i've never seen ANYONE win an internet argument.
except superpunk. he wins them all cause he's just that chuck norris.
and my bitch. strange role he plays here.
anyway - um... i'm out.
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Many people keep an eye on new folks in the neighborhood. Considering the circumstances wouldn't you be concerned about the rash of criminal activity? Why did Travon beat a bus driver? He bragged about his conquests online. Stolen items. Drugs that you appear to use may have been part of the influence.
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A+ poster. I pledge to not post mug shots of current members. I had no idea it was him. Swing of the bat and into the upper seats.
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I found the line. I guess posting mug shots of active members causes issues. As soon as you post a mug shot of a man-child all hell breaks loose. 2233 made some disparaging remarks about me. I did not threaten his family as my response. By the way, I did not believe the shot I posted was Ben. Shot in the dark until he confirmed it. Funny how things work out.
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It is sorta funny that your shot in the dark hit (if you really didn't know his last name) but as a pot head I have to say that I think the mug shot is much more of an indictment against our laws and those who choose to enforce them on their fellow citizens, rather then of Ben
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I found the line. I guess posting mug shots of active members causes issues. As soon as you post a mug shot of a man-child all hell breaks loose. 2233 made some disparaging remarks about me. I did not threaten his family as my response. By the way, I did not believe the shot I posted was Ben. Shot in the dark until he confirmed it. Funny how things work out.
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i'll take "please post some new content" for $1000 alex.
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It's all good, man. No worries here, my man. APD has beef with me, but there are reasons for that and I'm unable to speak to the issue right now because of a pending lawsuit. They want to demonize me. That was an incident where nothing happened whatsoever and a warrant was filed 6 months after I called the cops on someone.
Oh, well, the only thing I worry about is those photos are just AWFUL.
I'm pretty honest that I've not been a saint. But I have accomplished a lot in spit of setbacks and what not.
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heh, was raggin on JB for posting the same thing 3 times.
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Yeah, he's awesome. Funny, I never noticed him before. But I must have pissed him off along the way, eh?
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you and jb are alike more than you realize.
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hey - this site allows probably more than it should in free speech. if *we* as posters don't know how to contain ourselves, what are they supposed to do? i could have my brother in FL look up ben and get his entire history but why? to win a forum argument? sometimes we get along, usually we don't but it's just a forum. i've never seen ANYONE win an internet argument.
except superpunk. he wins them all cause he's just that chuck norris.
and my bitch. strange role he plays here.
anyway - um... i'm out.
Freedom has a price.
I have been banned everywhere,except here,which is cool.
I know I push the envelope,but I know where the line is at.
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Not surprised.
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http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/jury-selection-begins-george-zimmerman-trial-121304344.html
Lawyers on both sides of the George Zimmerman trial today will begin what is expected to be a weekslong process of selecting a 12-member jury in the incendiary case in Sanford, Florida.
Zimmerman's attorneys declined to ask for a change of venue in the case, suggesting they are confident they can find impartial jurors in the area despite the wall-to-wall media coverage that 17-year-old Trayvon Martin's killing attracted last year. Zimmerman, out on a $1 million bond and in hiding for much of the past year, is charged with second-degree murder for killing the unarmed teen in a confrontation in his gated community, where Zimmerman acted as a volunteer watchman.
Prosecutors argue that Zimmerman racially profiled, followed and then shot Martin. Zimmerman's lawyers counter that their client was attacked by Martin and that he acted in self-defense.
Defense lawyer Jose Baez, who represented Casey Anthony in her high-profile trial in Orlando in 2011, said jury selection in this trial will be especially complicated because of the case's racial overtones. (Zimmerman identifies himself as Hispanic; Martin was black.)
Generally, defense lawyers would be more likely than prosecutors to want to select minorities for a jury, since, on average, African-American and Hispanic people express more skepticism of law enforcement than white people, according to Baez. But in this case, Zimmerman's defense lawyers will want to pack the jury with white "gun-toting Republicans," who would be amenable to their argument that their client shot and killed the unarmed Martin in self-defense. These jurors might also be more convinced by the argument that local police made the right decision not to arrest or charge Zimmerman in the shooting initially.
"It's a very unique case in that respect, where the general rules that a lot of lawyers use are just going be absolutely flipped upside down," Baez said. "Because it is such a racially charged case, I think that the clear line is going to be drawn here between African-American jurors and Caucasian and Hispanic jurors."
But the defense team will have to be very careful in its quest to find conservative jurors more amenable to the self-defense argument. Circuit Judge Debra Nelson, who is presiding over the televised trial in the Seminole County Courthouse, will most likely be vigilant to make sure neither side is excluding jurors based on their race, which is illegal under a 1985 Supreme Court decision.
"I think this judge is fully aware of the racial tensions involved and is going to be on high alert," Baez said. If the defense team moves to dismiss an African-American juror during the peremptory strike phase of jury selection, for example, the judge could challenge it to provide a reason for the move. If the team can't come up with a good reason (for example, that the juror attended a rally in support of Trayvon Martin), the judge will assume the attorneys wanted to dismiss the juror for racial reasons and override their preference.
Nelson has ruled that the pool of 500 potential jurors will be kept anonymous during the selection process. It's possible she could order them sequestered during the trial, which is what happened to the jurors in the Anthony case. Nelson rejected the defense's request to sequester them during jury selection.
The pool will shrink rapidly as jurors can make the case that sitting on a jury for weeks would be a hardship. After that process winnows down the lot, the attorneys will go through and disqualify anyone with a personal connection to the case. Both sides will be on the lookout for jurors who have stated their support for either Zimmerman or Martin on social media sites, or been involved in activism around the case. The attorneys may also have potential jurors fill out questionnaires gauging their beliefs about gun control, law enforcement, race and other issues.
Lawyers on both sides of the George Zimmerman trial today will begin what is expected to be a weekslong process of selecting a 12-member jury in the incendiary case in Sanford, Florida.
Zimmerman's attorneys declined to ask for a change of venue in the case, suggesting they are confident they can find impartial jurors in the area despite the wall-to-wall media coverage that 17-year-old Trayvon Martin's killing attracted last year. Zimmerman, out on a $1 million bond and in hiding for much of the past year, is charged with second-degree murder for killing the unarmed teen in a confrontation in his gated community, where Zimmerman acted as a volunteer watchman.
Prosecutors argue that Zimmerman racially profiled, followed and then shot Martin. Zimmerman's lawyers counter that their client was attacked by Martin and that he acted in self-defense.
Defense lawyer Jose Baez, who represented Casey Anthony in her high-profile trial in Orlando in 2011, said jury selection in this trial will be especially complicated because of the case's racial overtones. (Zimmerman identifies himself as Hispanic; Martin was black.)
Generally, defense lawyers would be more likely than prosecutors to want to select minorities for a jury, since, on average, African-American and Hispanic people express more skepticism of law enforcement than white people, according to Baez. But in this case, Zimmerman's defense lawyers will want to pack the jury with white "gun-toting Republicans," who would be amenable to their argument that their client shot and killed the unarmed Martin in self-defense. These jurors might also be more convinced by the argument that local police made the right decision not to arrest or charge Zimmerman in the shooting initially.
"It's a very unique case in that respect, where the general rules that a lot of lawyers use are just going be absolutely flipped upside down," Baez said. "Because it is such a racially charged case, I think that the clear line is going to be drawn here between African-American jurors and Caucasian and Hispanic jurors."
But the defense team will have to be very careful in its quest to find conservative jurors more amenable to the self-defense argument. Circuit Judge Debra Nelson, who is presiding over the televised trial in the Seminole County Courthouse, will most likely be vigilant to make sure neither side is excluding jurors based on their race, which is illegal under a 1985 Supreme Court decision.
"I think this judge is fully aware of the racial tensions involved and is going to be on high alert," Baez said. If the defense team moves to dismiss an African-American juror during the peremptory strike phase of jury selection, for example, the judge could challenge it to provide a reason for the move. If the team can't come up with a good reason (for example, that the juror attended a rally in support of Trayvon Martin), the judge will assume the attorneys wanted to dismiss the juror for racial reasons and override their preference.
Nelson has ruled that the pool of 500 potential jurors will be kept anonymous during the selection process. It's possible she could order them sequestered during the trial, which is what happened to the jurors in the Anthony case. Nelson rejected the defense's request to sequester them during jury selection.
The pool will shrink rapidly as jurors can make the case that sitting on a jury for weeks would be a hardship. After that process winnows down the lot, the attorneys will go through and disqualify anyone with a personal connection to the case. Both sides will be on the lookout for jurors who have stated their support for either Zimmerman or Martin on social media sites, or been involved in activism around the case. The attorneys may also have potential jurors fill out questionnaires gauging their beliefs about gun control, law enforcement, race and other issues.
On the 911 call you can hear Martin is in the background screaming "help!"
I think he was shot after Zimmerman got the upperhand in the fight. I can understand Zimmerman being mad, but you still can't shoot someone unless they have a gun too.
I think he was shot after Zimmerman got the upperhand in the fight. I can understand Zimmerman being mad, but you still can't shoot someone unless they have a gun too.