Georgia to require drug tests for welfare benefits

[Iamtdg]

oh I see, you paid all of the taxes to fully fund the roads you drive on. You are fully self-sufficient and don't need nothin' from the government. My bad. You can avoid the testing then.

Nope, other self sufficient Americans helped me. You know, the ones that actually contribute to society.

 

[superpunk]

Nope, other self sufficient Americans helped me. You know, the ones that actually contribute to society.

Oh so maybe we can not test people, but only allow those who contribute to society monetarily to drive on the roads? Stay at home mom's and the elderly can fuck right off. White land-owners UNITE we have been footing the bill for these free-loaders for far too long! We will overcome!

 

[Iamtdg]

Oh so maybe we can not test people, but only allow those who contribute to society monetarily to drive on the roads? Stay at home mom's and the elderly can fuck right off.

They pay taxes on their social security.

I can do this all night.

 

[superpunk]

They pay taxes on their social security.

I can do this all night.

You're doing it poorly. Your ideal society is not a society, it's a "pay-to-live" retardo-world where we antagonize anyone outside the majority who we feel is getting a free pass and we resent it. I get it, you all hate charity and supporting the lowest and neediest members of our society. But that's the price we pay for being a society in a day and age and country where your worth as a human isn't dependent upon how much money you can throw in the pot.

 

[Rock Slamdance]

I think I could at least pretend to take superpunk seriously if not for the derp nonsense. Almost as obnoxious as people who say 'merica ironically.

 

[Iamtdg]

You're doing it poorly. Your ideal society is not a society, it's a "pay-to-live" retardo-world where we antagonize anyone outside the majority who we feel is getting a free pass and we resent it. I get it, you all hate charity and supporting the lowest and neediest members of our society. But that's the price we pay for being a society in a day and age and country where your worth as a human isn't dependent upon how much money you can throw in the pot.

I'm all for a sensible welfare type system. There are times people need help, and I don't mind pitching in to give them that assistance. In exchange for my generosity, I expect them to pass a drug test to show that my money is going to helping them and not further expediting their decline.

 

[Rock Slamdance]

Why is it the government's job to hand out this "charity"?

 

[NoDak]

my 200 dollar number was super scientific I'm glad you took the time to refute it.

let's look at the numbers for a state that implemented this program, what sort of savings are they looking at?


We did it you guys. We stopped the junkies. Hooray.

Awesome. You posted numbers that that show it will cost more money. Except we all already knew that. I never said the state would save money with this program. I was only questioning your bullshit 200 a month number.

 

[superpunk]

Awesome. You posted numbers that that show it will cost more money. Except we all already knew that. I never said the state would save money with this program. I was only questioning your bullshit 200 a month number.

The one I made up? Cool. Thanks.

 

[Sheik]

While you guys are arguing, sdogo and his "independent scouting firm" just came out with a spreadsheet for the draft.

No crayon either.

 

[superpunk]

Awesome. You posted numbers that that show it will cost more money. Except we all already knew that. I never said the state would save money with this program. I was only questioning your bullshit 200 a month number.

And so if it saves the state no money, rather costs it an exorbitant amount, what is the benefit of programs like these again? Are they turning the 2 out of 100 junkies into fine upstanding members of society? Slowing the drug trade? Or are they just an annoyance for 98% of welfare recipients and a huge extra tax burden for the tax payers?

Please, (anyone) show me the real-world benefits of these programs. What are they accomplishing?

 

[NoDak]

The one I made up? Cool. Thanks.

Made up. Par for the course. Along with all your other hyperbolic bullshit in this and other topics like it.

And you accused Midswat of thinking with HIS heart and not his head. lol

 

[Iamtdg]

This would be a great step one to full on welfare reform.

It's a great idea, and with all respect, anyone that says otherwise needs to keep an extra drool cup handy.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

30 dollars is a lot to some people especially ones who don't have a job.

The government could act like the corporation that they are and pay for the tests like companies do when they screen their employees, and I'd be just as fine with that.

We'd still have you libtards whining about it though.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Do you know what "fiscal" means, Robert?

Yes, in this context, when the solution to a problem costs more money than the problem it is meant to address, it makes fiscal sense to not implement that "solution". What we've found is this problem does not merit this response. But it makes a convenient political talking point because people are either too stupid or lazy to realize they are being played emotionally here. So they keep doing this in states where it will play well.



Don't count on it. The courts rule against these laws over and over again.

Thanks to Jews like you.

 

[superpunk]

Made up. Par for the course. Along with all your other hyperbolic bullshit in this and other topics like it.

And you accused Midswat of thinking with HIS heart and not his head. lol

well I think I read somewhere that was the average in FL but those numbers are tough. CA is a welfare state and has the highest payouts but still we're talking meager sums of money.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

What stats are you using to say things are bad now?

What percentage of drug users do you think are taking advantage of the system and how does this address the reall issues of the people who are clean and abusing the system.

These seems to me to be a solution in search of a problem.

You don't think people are able to work, but aren't, and instead are collecting welfare? The system has been proven to be easy as hell to take advantage of. If you don't believe that it's happening en masse, then well, that's your problem. It's human nature. Some people have the drive to work and reap the benefits of said labor, while others will do anything, including jumping through legal hoops not to.

I don't need stats to show me that a lot of people drive drunk, don't pay child support, steal, rob, murder, or take advantage of welfare and disability to know that they exist, and that they are problems.

You can choose to live in a fairy tale world where everyone has a sense of civic responsibility if you like.

 

[superpunk]

This would be a great step one to full on welfare reform.

It's a great idea, and with all respect, anyone that says otherwise needs to keep an extra drool cup handy.

thank god you prefaced that "with respect" amigo.

I think it's a great idea to reform welfare by mandating tests that make welfare WAY more expensive. Now I don't need that drool cup because I'm just as dumb as everyone else.

 

[Sheik]

SP is Jesiwh?

That was the first I heard.

Not the 100th time I've read it or anything.

Weird.

 

[Iamtdg]

thank god you prefaced that "with respect" amigo.

I think it's a great idea to reform welfare by mandating tests that make welfare WAY more expensive. Now I don't need that drool cup because I'm just as dumb as everyone else.

It's a major step forward in reform. Period. If it costs me more now to do it to fix it in the long run then so be it. I'll be more than happy to oblige if it means getting and keeping all these lowlife pieces of shit off my payroll in the future.