Georgia to require drug tests for welfare benefits

[superpunk]

Yeah, because a drug test is akin to standing on your head and pee'ing in your mouth.

Derpy derp.

I think we should have standardized testing before allowing people to post in this forum to make sure they're smart enough to recognize hyperbolic literary devices.

 

[Midswat]

Retarded responses deserve retarded responses.

 

[superpunk]

I guess if that's all you can manage.

Not even close. If you were you would be worried about the fiscal viability of a plan like this and the corruption that is inherent in the administering of the contracts, as seen in Florida. Instead it's just hurr-durr it feels right because oh rage against poor people getting government assistance.

The plans cost more than they save, are invasions of privacy, have absolutely no redeeming characteristics but they make you feel good because they catch the 2 out of 100 welfare recipients who are on drugs. That's stupid as fuck.

This isn't an issue you're informed on, obviously.

It just makes you feel good.

 

[Midswat]

It's not an invasion of privacy.

Not sure why you can't get that wrapped around your head.

It's not an invasion of privacy because you're requesting government assistance. The government has requirements in place for welfare recipients to receive assistance. If they add being able to pass a drug test to those requirements, then you must agree to that to receive assistance.

 

[superpunk]

I guess if that's all you can manage.

Not even close. If you were you would be worried about the fiscal viability of a plan like this and the corruption that is inherent in the administering of the contracts, as seen in Florida. Instead it's just hurr-durr it feels right because oh rage against poor people getting government assistance.

The plans cost more than they save, ok table the invasion of privacy its not important, have absolutely no redeeming characteristics but they make you feel good because they catch the 2 out of 100 welfare recipients who are on drugs. That's stupid as fuck.

This isn't an issue you're informed on, obviously.

It just makes you feel good.

 

[NoDak]

When it comes to these topics you're not thinking with your head, you're thinking with your heart. Specifically the part of your heart that thinks it's fun to further degrade poor people who are embarassed enough to be on welfare by having them submit to drug tests that accomplish nothing.

lol

That first line describes yourself perfectly.

And that second line proves it.

 

[Rock Slamdance]

Midswat is absolutely right. This can't be considered an invasion of privacy when you are asking the government assistance. if There was an across the board everyone in the country has to take a drug test, THAT is an invasion of privacy.

I've had a ride on welfare. Its not degrading the po fok. Its another step you have to take. Most people, like I did, use the government assistance, get back on their feet, and get off it. I don't think they feel degraded and belittled.

Drug test em.

 

[NoDak]

Midswat is absolutely right. This can't be considered an invasion of privacy when you are asking the government assistance. if There was an across the board everyone in the country has to take a drug test, THAT is an invasion of privacy.

I've had a ride on welfare. Its not degrading the po fok. Its another step you have to take. Most people, like I did, use the government assistance, get back on their feet, and get off it. I don't think they feel degraded and belittled.

Drug test em.

Agree 100%. When I was a kid, we used foodstamps for awhile. And I've used unemployment a couple times as an adult.

Like you said, these gov't programs are supposed to be an assist while you get back on your feet. Not a permanant crutch that will sustain you forever. But too many people use it as that. And those are the people this program will target.

 

[UVAwahoos]

lol

1) Midswat doing the classic (and likely Hostile-patented) short response/cut out pertinent phrases and sentences to skew a debate in his favor.

2) SP being retarded and continuing to type out long paragraph responses anyway.

Love message boards...

 

[Sheik]

People make a career out of living off of welfare.

Some jobs require random drug testing.

I don't see a problem. The gov will take real good care of you, just use their resources how they're meant, stay clean, all is well.

 

[Sheik]

If I know 3 people on welfare, and two of them have had cocaine knock their teeth out of their head, it has to be more than two out of 100 across the board.

 

[Sheik]

More like 66.6 out of 100.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

So fuck the logistics...this just makes you feel better because drug addicts aren't getting tax money? You're willing to spend even more just to ensure that this ridiculously small "problem" is taken care of?

Aren't conservatives supposed to oppose pointless government intrusions into our lives? Or does that only apply to the non-destitute? These programs are utterly pointless and not cost-effective. They solve nothing, invade the privacy of citizens (the overwhelming majority of which are not on drugs), and the only people they benefit are the companies who get the testing contract - which is costing the taxpayer more money spent on "welfare".

Most conservatives are middle aged whites.

Just saying.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

It's not an invasion of privacy because you're requesting government assistance. The government has requirements in place for welfare recipients to receive assistance. If they add being able to pass a drug test to those requirements, then you must agree to that to receive assistance.

If you don't want to, or can't, then don't expect government assistance.

Close the thread.

Conservatives -- 1

Libjew -- 0.5

 

[Sheik]

Give sp .5 point.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I know every race is going to scream racism up and down the hall over this, but you can bet there are a bunch of crackers in Georgia who like nothing better than not working and smoking weed/crack/heroin etc., using government subsidies to purchase them.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

punk, are you a politician? Is that what this is about? Are you trying to drum up those votes that normally/probably wouldn't be cast otherwise? You have a job, so why are you worried about this?

Hell, it's basically what most jobs require of you. Fill out an application and then go get pissed tested. I don't understand what the big deal is minus your looney invasion of privacy defense.

 

[jiggyfly]

I am on the fence about this, I don't particularly think drug testing is bad but these new laws are mostly for show and have no real merits and end up costing tax payers more than they save them.

Also lets not act like these test are keeping drug users from getting checks it will weed out a few and end up costing governments money that could be spent elsewhere.

Its also hypocritical considering most proponents of these bills want to shrink the size of government.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I am on the fence about this, I don't particularly think drug testing is bad but these new laws are mostly for show and have no real merits and end up costing tax payers more than they save them.

Also lets not act like these test are keeping drug users from getting checks it will weed out a few and end up costing governments money that could be spent elsewhere.

Its also hypocritical considering most proponents of these bills want to shrink the size of government.

Yeah, this bill won't succeed without continued testing.

A smart person could just chart the next period that they'll be clean in advance of the test, and bam! that's it, government assistance.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Democrats said the measure places an unfair burden on the poor

Having to quit drug use. Oh, what a burden!

It could be a burden if they're hooked on heroin or something requiring that they need to go to a de-tox progam, which tend to be expensive for some, and which in itself is often times a painful process. But an unfair one? How is asking someone to get and stay sober any way unfair? Hell, most people who truly recover from their addictions look on it as a blessing.