Donte Rosario signs with Dallas.

[superpunk]

STICK TO YOUR BOARD

damned if you, damned if you dont

 

[dbair1967]

Same guy. Just a different angle.

It cant be. Don't be trying to mislead me Booze.

 

[boozeman]

That's the whole thing... How and when is Escobar going to make this huge difference? I don't see it. I think best case he converts some third downs and catches some redzone TDs. There's still only one ball and it's still Dez, Witten, Miles, and Demarco ahead of him in line.

I would think that a bigger jump could come from Williams or maybe even Harris giving us a Laurent Robinson type year.

Again, if Callahan really gets to run things and Romo gets to do more no-huddle, that will help a ton also.

I don't see much of the no huddle either. We have too many subpackages. I mean, whaddaya do? Deal with the 4 WR attack with Bryant/Austin/Williams/Harris or the vaunted TE duo? Can't run no huddle changing it up. We are just all over the place and seem to think shock and awe on paper is going to get it done.

I think Garrett is thinking way over his head. He's got more "weapons" than he's capable of dealing with.

 

[Theebs]

Sure.

But we have people like superpunk claiming that hey, adjust what you think the second TE offense can do.

So...if they aren't the second coming of the NE duo or the 1980s Chargers, they probably should be a blocker then.

Fasano was regarded as a better blocker than Escobar though. If we wanted a blocker, we could have taken Levine Toilolo, his college teammate later on. Or Dion Sims.

We took Escobar for his receiving ability.

You can't rationalize the investment on any logical front other than assuming we are going to field some kick ass yee haw two tight end offense like the Patriots or we will be getting rid of Jason Witten within four years. So which is it?

We have been using the 12 personnel set since 03 as a regular thing. That is all New England has been doing also.
There is no New England two right end offense. They don't have the outside threats or the rb who catches the ball in the past and gronk is a freakish player.

We were essentially doing the same thing New England did the entire time parcells was here. He just never got it all right until 06. A having a good qb and two solid tight ends finally that year, in 05 we did also but the line and Bledsoe struggled in the second half.

They didn't invent it and we are not trying to copy them. The only reason this even comes up is because people are lazy and that is what they think of when they talk about tight ends because they hear gronkowski talked about so much.

They will have a huge role here, from helping the tight ends, wham blocking inside, and being wr.

They allow a number of schematic matchup problems allowing us to dictate.

Having them be interchangeable is going to be a great asset.

 

[boozeman]

STICK TO YOUR BOARD

damned if you, damned if you dont

If we stuck to our board, we would have picked Williams, not Escobar. Esplain that, Lucy.

 

[superpunk]

yup people forget NE did the same thing with much less success forever. fuck they spent a first and second on Watson and Graham in back to back drafts or within three years idk.

 

[dbair1967]

If we stuck to our board, we would have picked Williams, not Escobar. Esplain that, Lucy.

They did explain it didn't they?

 

[superpunk]

If we stuck to our board, we would have picked Williams, not Escobar. Esplain that, Lucy.

been explained, we got both. keep up

 

[boozeman]

We have been using the 12 personnel set since 03 as a regular thing. That is all New England has been doing also.
There is no New England two right end offense. They don't have the outside threats or the rb who catches the ball in the past and gronk is a freakish player.

We were essentially doing the same thing New England did the entire time parcells was here. He just never got it all right until 06. A having a good qb and two solid tight ends finally that year, in 05 we did also but the line and Bledsoe struggled in the second half.

They didn't invent it and we are not trying to copy them. The only reason this even comes up is because people are lazy and that is what they think of when they talk about tight ends because they hear gronkowski talked about so much.

They will have a huge role here, from helping the tight ends, wham blocking inside, and being wr.

They allow a number of schematic matchup problems allowing us to dictate.

Having them be interchangeable is going to be a great asset.

And all the stuff you are talking about doesn't have to require a second round tight end at all costs. That's basically what we did by taking Escobar.

 

[superpunk]

spent a second rounder="at all costs"

damn we moved heaven and earth

 

[dbair1967]

And all the stuff you are talking about doesn't have to require a second round tight end at all costs. That's basically what we did by taking Escobar.

I don't think spending a middle to late 2nd rd pick on a TE is an example of "at all costs"

 

[dbair1967]

shit...me and SP must be channeling or something

 

[superpunk]

nevermind I change my position.

 

[ThoughtExperiment]

Well I agree on that, Booze. He could never get Bennett involved, which I don't understand after he got rid of Fasano to get the guy he really wanted.

That Stretch Smith guy was saying one day that he heard not only would Romo be given more say but that our offense would be trimmed back. He said there was too much going on and at times our guys are thinking and adjusting too much on the fly, which keeps you from playing fast. (Which I have always suspected about Garrett's offense. I think that's one reason why sometimes it looks great and sometimes it can't get a first down without a bunch of mistakes.)

I just can't think of when a team's offense made a quantum leap forward because it improved its fourth or fifth option.

And also, I'm with you on Escobar's blocking. The team knows he's not good at it, they said it on draft night. They think he can improve because his technique isn't good, but he probably won't block as well as Phillips, at least this first year.

 

[boozeman]

been explained, we got both. keep up

And so what? You want to cry victim that everyone is picking on poor Jerry for his lack of faith in the board, but then praise what...the incredible luck someone didn't take Williams?

Conceptually, only a stupid franchise invests that many premium choices on TE, especially when they have a proven Pro Bowl and potential HOF guy that shows no signs of slowing down.

Parcells at the height of his TE fetish didn't do it. Hell even New England didn't either. Hernandez was a fourth. They didn't learn their lesson from overdrafting Ben Watson and Daniel Graham, so they kept trying. Looks like Jerry is doing the same. Maybe he will succeed this time, gosh darn it.

 

[superpunk]

moved heaven and earth
quantum leaps forward

jc people this is a mid-second rounder not a top 5 pick.

 

[superpunk]

They didn't learn their lesson from overdrafting Ben Watson and Daniel Graham, so they kept trying.

consoled themselves with super bowls in the meantime

fuck the two TE offense

 

[dbair1967]

Parcells at the height of his TE fetish didn't do it. .

That Witten guy was pretty good when he spent a 2nd on Fasano

 

[boozeman]

shit...me and SP must be channeling or something

The sad thing is that neither one of you guys can truly rationalize it with a straight face. But then you both come to the dismissive "a second round pick is nothing" stance.

 

[superpunk]

"a second round pick is nothing"

yeah noone said that. but you've got a flair for the dramatic today, sweetheart.

:gay