Babe's 3things Jerry did wry g to get us to where we are

[superpunk]

too late no takey backsies. And Jerry was right, Barry won with the roster Jerry had built for Jimmy.

 

[marionbarberthe4th]

So what were the 3 things Jerry did wry g again?
#asleepatthewheel #jv

 

[jiggyfly]

Why are you so concerned about giving Jerry credit? Are you still trying to hold out hope that if you can believe he had something positive to do with the the SB's that these last 15+ years were just an aberration and he will magically revert back to having the early 90's success again?

I think everyone has given Jerry credit for hiring his college buddy in '89. Beyond that, what has he done?

Because IMO he deserves it, He had to take mucho crap for firing Landry and then ridicule for going with the all college coaching staff, he had a plan and stuck with it he deserves the credit for that.

Why do you have such a need to trash everything he has done?

 

[jiggyfly]

too late no takey backsies. And Jerry was right, Barry won with the roster Jerry had built for Jimmy.

Oh snap!

That is a fact that never gets much play, even if it was cutting off your nose to spite your face.

 

[Midswat]

Because IMO he deserves it, He had to take mucho crap for firing Landry and then ridicule for going with the all college coaching staff, he had a plan and stuck with it he deserves the credit for that.

Why do you have such a need to trash everything he has done?

Because he's a fucking horrid GM.

He's run a premiere franchise into the ground.

His desire for being recognized as a football guy is more important than the actual success of his team.

Fuck him.

 

[jiggyfly]

Because he's a fucking horrid GM.

He's run a premiere franchise into the ground.

His desire for being recognized as a football guy is more important than the actual success of his team.

Fuck him.

Thats fine I can separate the 2 and appreciate the 3 Superbowls while realizing where we are now.

 

[Cythim]

See thats the thing nobody is head patting anybody just giving the man credit for having the foresight and the balls to hire a college coach give him the keys to the car and then stay with him when the entire NFL was laughing their asses off at him.

giving him credit for that does not preclude me from also acknowledging his colossal fuckups since then, to right the hiring of Jimmy off as lucky is retarded.

The same stubborn Jerry that wanted to do it his way and hired Jimmy is the same guy we have now, you got to take the good and the bad.

Why? Wade had a great first season then turned into shit and was canned. He was the same guy at 13-3 as he was at 1-7. We didn't have to put up with it out of our HCs and we shouldn't have to put up with it out of our GM.

 

[dbair1967]

Well fuck you too then. Yes he did hire Jimmy, but he also ran Jimmy off and ended our dynasty just as it was reaching its golden age. I'm not sorry the team was sold I am just sorry it came to a man who has utterly ruined it. I am not going to kiss is ass for hiring Jimmy when he is also responsible for the last 1.5 decades of total disappointment.

Right, so you being the utter pinhead that you are apparently would have rather Jones not bought the team, and we'd have continued the dreadful play under Bum Bright and nevwe won anything. Everyone talks about how bad things are now, but those last few years of Bright's ownership were as bottom of the barrel as it gets, and while at least there are a handful of really quality players here now, there were virtually none then. And on top of that the guy was cheap as hell.

You can hate on Jerry all you want, he deserves a ton of criticism for alot of stuff thats happened. But had he not bought the team, Jommy Johnson would have never been the HC here, and we almost assuredly never would have had the success we had from 1991-1996 without him. We certainly wouldnt have acquired the massive amount of talent we had and almost assuredly wouldnt have won 3 super bowls.

 

[dbair1967]

Of course I'm glad we won those. The 90's were great and we dominated the sports world. Everyone was either a Cowboy fan or Cowboy hater, no one in between.

In your scenario, had we not won those, and we would have gone all this time with Jerry and his act I think 99% of the fans would have revolted by now. The main argument for those who are loyal to Jerry is 3 Superbowls in the 90's. Without that, I don't think anyone would be able to defend him under any circumstances.

This is my problem with statements like this. I dont know of anyone in this forum who is "loyal" to Jerry. I am not a fan of Jerry, nor am I fan of the team because of Jerry. But I do vividly remember how bad things were the 2nd half of the 1980's and I do remember how bare the cupboard was talent wise. This team was the utter dreg of the NFL. No matter how bad some of you want to make out things now, this team is nowhere near as bad as it was when Bum Bright was the owner.

Jerry buying the team gave us a chance again. I dont care if its "luck" or "the blind squirrel finding the nut" but he DID hire Jimmy Johnson, and without Jimmy we'd have never won shit. That doesnt make me a fan of Jerry, it just means anyone with half a f'in brain can see it had a momunental impact on the franchise. As stupid as Jerry is about alot of things, wanting to lose or not caring if the team wins are not traits of his. Bum Bright didnt give two shits about the team or the fans.

 

[dbair1967]

Because he's a fucking horrid GM.

He's run a premiere franchise into the ground.

His desire for being recognized as a football guy is more important than the actual success of his team.

Fuck him.

The franchise was in alot darker place when Jones bought the team. There was nothing "premier" about it when he took it over.

No we didnt get better because of brilliant things he did, save one. He hired Jimmy and gave him control. He got Jimmy to us when Jimmy had said no to other NFL owners. He was the hottest coaching commodity in football when we got him, and without him we'd probably still have just two super bowl wins.

 

[cmd34]

This is my problem with statements like this. I dont know of anyone in this forum who is "loyal" to Jerry. I am not a fan of Jerry, nor am I fan of the team because of Jerry. But I do vividly remember how bad things were the 2nd half of the 1980's and I do remember how bare the cupboard was talent wise. This team was the utter dreg of the NFL. No matter how bad some of you want to make out things now, this team is nowhere near as bad as it was when Bum Bright was the owner.

Jerry buying the team gave us a chance again. I dont care if its "luck" or "the blind squirrel finding the nut" but he DID hire Jimmy Johnson, and without Jimmy we'd have never won shit. That doesnt make me a fan of Jerry, it just means anyone with half a f'in brain can see it had a momunental impact on the franchise. As stupid as Jerry is about alot of things, wanting to lose or not caring if the team wins are not traits of his. Bum Bright didnt give two shits about the team or the fans.

Fair enough but how long does megalomanic Jerry get to play General Manager before fans say enough already. Do the Superbowls buy him 20 years, 25 years, a lifetime? Let me know because as long as people keep cheering for him or asking that moron for his autograph he is going to keep thinking he's doing a fantastic job.

The man just said "it's not the personnel" like a week ago. He has officially Al Davis'd himself. How long does he get?

 

[marionbarberthe4th]

No matter how good it was in the beginning If my wife gave me 1 beej in 15 years I'd divorce her

 

[dbair1967]

Fair enough but how long does megalomanic Jerry get to play General Manager before fans say enough already. Do the Superbowls buy him 20 years, 25 years, a lifetime? Let me know becuase as long as people keep cheering for him or asking that moron for his autograph he is going to keep thinking he's doing a fantastic job.

The man just said "it's not the personnel" like a week ago. He has officially Al Davis'd himself. How long does he get?

As I said the other day, if its that sickening to many of you then maybe you give up and pull for another team, or find something else to do on Sundays if you cant pull for another team. He isnt going anywhere. He owns it and has no intentions of ever selling it. He also apparently has no intentions of ever hiring a "real" GM. Which by the way would not guarantee the team would ever have any different results. He's an egomaniac thats desperately wants people to believe he is pulling the strings on every move, but he really isnt. If he were making all the decisions, and he was as bad as some of you firmly believe then we'd be 1-15 every year and have no talent here.

But that isnt the case, which is why none of you will ever be able to convince me that he is the sole decision maker. He does make a convenient scape goat though. But you cant have it both ways. Either someone else is finding alot of these talented guys (likely) or Jerry is better at judging personnel now than some of you want to believe (highly unlikely)

 

[cmd34]

Either someone else is finding alot of these talented guys (likely)YES or Jerry is better at judging personnel now than some of you want to believe (highly unlikely)NO

Jerry overrules the staff if he feels a prospect is "special". He has the final say on each and every draft pick. The people he pays money to usually agree with him. Garrett can't "get on the table" and tell Jerry he wants David DeCastro if Jerry has his heart set on Dre Kirkpatrick.

The final say in Free Agency comes down to him. You think Tom Ciskowski made the decision to sit out Free Agency in the 2010 off-season? Think maybe Wade or Offensive Coordinator Jason Garrett went begging to Jerry to run out and acquire Roy Williams at any cost?

Keep believing Jerry doesn't have the majority of influence and final say on the bigger player acquisitions. He may let the pro scouts sign a guy like Laurent Robinson off the street or let the college scouts push for a Sean Lissemore in the 6th round, but the final decision is always his. Who gets an extension is all him.

He has proven it over and over again. I really don't know what else it will take for you to see that.

 

[dbair1967]

Jerry overrules the staff if he feels a prospect is "special". He has the final say on each and every draft pick. The people he pays money to usually agree with him. Garrett can't "get on the table" and tell Jerry he wants David DeCastro if Jerry has his heart set on Dre Kirkpatrick.

When (and who) do you feel was the latest example of this?

The final say in Free Agency comes down to him. You think Tom Ciskowski made the decision to sit out Free Agency in the 2010 off-season? Think maybe Wade or Offensive Coordinator Jason Garrett went begging to Jerry to run out and acquire Roy Williams at any cost?

Everyone was clamoring for the Cowboy to go get another WR. The offense needed it. Roy Williams wasnt a scrub, he was pretty good and was a probowl calibar player. As for 2009 or 2010 or whatever, the fact is you cant be a player every single year in free agency. Some cap dollars have to be dedicated to keeping your own guys here long term.

Keep believing Jerry doesn't have the majority of influence and final say on the bigger player acquisitions. He may let the pro scouts sign a guy like Laurent Robinson off the street or let the college scouts push for a Sean Lissemore in the 6th round, but the final decision is always his. Who gets an extension is all him.

I disagree. Might have used to been (Switzer, Gailey, Campo years) but not anymore. He does what others tell him to do, then he acts like he made that decision.

He has proven it over and over again. I really don't know what else it will take for you to see that.

Again if it were true, we'd draft in the top-5 every year and never sniff the playoffs. But that isnt true any longer now is it?

 

[cmd34]

So your argument is because we aren't the worst Jerry is okay?

As far as your argument that we should go root for another team..why do we have to accept such medicore results? Why is it okay for Jerry (as the General Manager) to constantly produce a less-than-Superbowl contending result year after year since 1995?

If Romo goes out and throws 4 picks should we as good little Cowboy fans say "Oh well, he's our quarterback. We have to root for him." If Rob Ryan's defense surrenders like the French military over and over again we just have to live with it??

I think we deserve better. I think we deserve change. Our current General Manager can make risky draft picks or sign unworthy players to extensions because he answers to no one. If it goes bad, he (and fans like you) will blame the player or say the "draft is a crapshoot" and let him off the hook over and over again. We need a General Manager who's very livelihood depends on the success of the players he chooses to draft, sign, or trade for. As long as we have a GM who is accountable to no one we will continue to settle for mediocrity.

 

[dbair1967]

So your argument is because we aren't the worst Jerry is okay?

As far as your argument that we should go root for another team..why do we have to accept such medicore results? Why is it okay for Jerry (as the General Manager) to constantly produce a less-than-Superbowl contending result year after year since 1995?

If Romo goes out and throws 4 picks should we as good little Cowboy fans say "Oh well, he's our quarterback. We have to root for him." If Rob Ryan's defense surrenders like the French military over and over again we just have to live with it??

I think we deserve better. I think we deserve change. Our current General Manager can make risky draft picks or sign unworthy players to extensions because he answers to no one. If it goes bad, he (and fans like you) will blame the player or say the "draft is a crapshoot" and let him off the hook over and over again. We need a General Manager who's very livelihood depends on the success of the players he chooses to draft, sign, or trade for. As long as we have a GM who is accountable to no one we will continue to settle for mediocrity.

Its fine to want that, but you know and I know Jerry simply isnt going to relinquish his "GM" role. So as much as many might hate it, we're stuck with it. I think the only thing that could possibly change his role is his health. As long as he is healthy, he will have whatever role he wants here (even if in my opinion, that role is very minimal to begin with)

 

[VA Cowboy]

Because IMO he deserves it, He had to take mucho crap for firing Landry and then ridicule for going with the all college coaching staff, he had a plan and stuck with it he deserves the credit for that.

No, he doesn't. It's not like he was a great football mind like Al Davis used to be before going senile. He's never been a quality football guy, ever. He went with the college coaching staff because of his connection with Jimmy Johnson. Period. And Jimmy brought in his guys. If Jimmy had turned it down it would've been Switzer or Holtz or some other schmuck Jerry knew from Arkansas.

Jerry has proven time and again that he is nothing more than "joe fan" who was able to buy the team and then play fantasy football with it. He's one of the worst GM's in the league and to top it off let his ego run off Jimmy which then led to a parade of puppets as HC simply because he didn't want another power struggle with a quality HC who might steal his spotlight.

He and his ego singlehandedly ran the greatest dynasty in the league into the ground and has continued to this day to be a detriment to our success. The man craves credit so he can take credit for that.

 

[Cythim]

Right, so you being the utter pinhead that you are apparently would have rather Jones not bought the team, and we'd have continued the dreadful play under Bum Bright and nevwe won anything. Everyone talks about how bad things are now, but those last few years of Bright's ownership were as bottom of the barrel as it gets, and while at least there are a handful of really quality players here now, there were virtually none then. And on top of that the guy was cheap as hell.

You can hate on Jerry all you want, he deserves a ton of criticism for alot of stuff thats happened. But had he not bought the team, Jommy Johnson would have never been the HC here, and we almost assuredly never would have had the success we had from 1991-1996 without him. We certainly wouldnt have acquired the massive amount of talent we had and almost assuredly wouldnt have won 3 super bowls.

How dumb are you? You keep bringing up Bum Bright as if he would still be the owner without Jerry. Bright was forced into selling, I just wish he had someone besides jerry to sell to.

 

[jiggyfly]

No, he doesn't. It's not like he was a great football mind like Al Davis used to be before going senile. He's never been a quality football guy, ever. He went with the college coaching staff because of his connection with Jimmy Johnson. Period. And Jimmy brought in his guys. If Jimmy had turned it down it would've been Switzer or Holtz or some other schmuck Jerry knew from Arkansas.

Jerry has proven time and again that he is nothing more than "joe fan" who was able to buy the team and then play fantasy football with it. He's one of the worst GM's in the league and to top it off let his ego run off Jimmy which then led to a parade of puppets as HC simply because he didn't want another power struggle with a quality HC who might steal his spotlight.

He and his ego singlehandedly ran the greatest dynasty in the league into the ground and has continued to this day to be a detriment to our success. The man craves credit so he can take credit for that.

WTF are you talking about, nobody has ever claimed Jerry was a football genius or even a good GM.

I am only giving credit to Jerry for hiring Jimmy and having the foresight to let him have control and then sticking with him. nothing more.

I agree his ego has gotten out of control but it was his ego that allowed him to hire Jimmy in the 1st place and allowed him to have total control, so in this instance you have to take the good and the bad.

For some reason you think its terrible for giving the guy any credit whatsoever, you have your opinion and I have mine