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Jerry doesn't get much credit for hiring Jimmy, because it's not like he searched near and far and then found this incredible gem. He hired him basically because he knew and played on the same team with him in college and Jimmy was currently coaching one of the best pro-style college teams in the country.
Like middy said, not much different than when he hired his friend Switzer in '94. It was about who he knew and we just ended up being lucky that Jimmy turned out to be as good in the NFL as he was in college and that Jerry was so preoccupied dealing with the financial issues of the organization in those early years that Jimmy was allowed the free reign to run the team.
But as we've seen since then, once Jerry got fully involved with the on field and personnel issues and his ego forced Jimmy out, we got the long line of puppet coaches with Jerry running roughshod over everyone in the organization.
But yes, Jerry deserves mucho credit for hiring his former college buddy back in '89. As we can see, that was obviously the exception rather than the rule.
Like middy said, not much different than when he hired his friend Switzer in '94. It was about who he knew and we just ended up being lucky that Jimmy turned out to be as good in the NFL as he was in college and that Jerry was so preoccupied dealing with the financial issues of the organization in those early years that Jimmy was allowed the free reign to run the team.
But as we've seen since then, once Jerry got fully involved with the on field and personnel issues and his ego forced Jimmy out, we got the long line of puppet coaches with Jerry running roughshod over everyone in the organization.
But yes, Jerry deserves mucho credit for hiring his former college buddy back in '89. As we can see, that was obviously the exception rather than the rule.
He only gets credit if he agonized over the decision and interviewed 80 other candidates first. Like how whoever owns the 49ers gets no credit for hiring Harbaugh because like, duh...who else were they gonna hire? He was THE candidate.
See midswat for any further arbitrary criteria in assigning credit to Jerry Jones. Or apparently VA Cowboy as well, if you want the long winded version that makes even less sense.
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So why did he stick with him after 1-15 and continued to give him so much power without bringing anyone else in?
Hiring a college coach at that time was not a easy decision.
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You're right... Jerry deserves credit for not firing his college buddy after year one in an obvious rebuilding process.
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If he is the idiot you make him out to be he could have fired him after going 1-15 everybody was saying Johnson was way over his head.
He could have even forced some NFL people on Jimmy but he continued to let him run the show.
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So wait you admit he had a actual plan instead of just hiring his college buddy right?
You can't have it both ways.
Nope. Apparently Jerry decided to keep Jimmy on by throwing darts at a ouija board.
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Jerry is the idiot he makes himself out to be. He certainly doesn't need my help in making himself look bad.
And I'm sure he "could have" done many things, but all of these hypotheticals isn't going to make him any less of an idiot than he himself has proven time and again to be.
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His hiring and keeping of Jimmy is not hypothetical it took a thought process and a plan and then the willingness to stick with it.
You act like he found Jimmy like it was a lost 20 dollar bill in his pocket.
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People lose far more credibility when they have to try and concoct ridiculous reasons in an attempt to give him credit.
"He didn't fire his coach after year one, so he deserves teh credit."
Here's your credibility:
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No, he just hired his college budy.
I don't give him credit for not firing Jimmy after his first year. That's unheard of, even for idiot owners.
In his second year, Jimmy won coach of the year. Obviously wasn't going to get fired then, amirite?
Third year, in the playoffs.
Fourt year, SB Champ.
Fifth year, SB Champ.... but "500 coaches can do what Jimmy do!!!!"
Enter, Barry Switzer.
Heat pat ****** "decision making" all you want.
More power to you.
Unfortunately if you keep trying to get them to see reason or think about this rationally you'll just end up disappointed. Jerry has never once done anything right. If it seems like he did, just remember the credit belongs to someone else, or he just got lucky. The fact that the man walks out of his house every day wearing pants is a goddamn miracle.
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He could have even forced some NFL people on Jimmy
This was the hypothetical "could've" I was referring to. And we could list plenty of things he could've done. But sticking with a guy after just one year isn't a huge deal. I can count on my high school shop teachers hand the number of new HC's just hired by a new owner who were then let go after one year. That just doesn't happen.
Nope. I act like what it was. Jerry hiring his former college teammate. Thankfully Jimmy accepted so he wouldn't have then turned to Switzer in '89.
And again, the entire issue people have with Jerry is what happened AFTER his ego got out of control once we started having success. This would be the decisions he made with the HC and personnel dept in the last 17 years.
But if you want to cling to him hiring his friend in '89 as an example of him doing something intelligent then by all means, hang onto it.
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You got that right. But I doubt he's made it out everyday with pants on to tell you the truth.
Some people just have standards.
Jerry is the ultimate decision maker of a franchise that has been bag of dicks inept in a parity driven league, for the better part of almost 20 years.
In his role, he makes thousands of decisions.
Are all of them bad to horrid? No.
But the lions share of them are. Questionable at best.
You want to head pat the guy because he hired his college buddy, after not interviewing a single other candidate, then that's on you.
Gloss over the whole him forcing the guy out, despite that minor 2 Super Bowl wins thing.
Bingo.
I didn't gloss over anything. I'm not the one who wants to insist that his myopic view of Jerry's decisions is right. I'm well aware that Jerry made good decisions that he deserves credit for (hiring Jimmy) and bad decisions that he deserves blame for. Because like you said, he is the ultimate decision maker for this franchise. And if we want to discuss him fairly and rationally and without being flaming hypocrites, we have to give him credit as the ultimate decision maker - for the good and the bad decisions.
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See thats the thing nobody is head patting anybody just giving the man credit for having the foresight and the balls to hire a college coach give him the keys to the car and then stay with him when the entire NFL was laughing their asses off at him.
giving him credit for that does not preclude me from also acknowledging his colossal fuckups since then, to right the hiring of Jimmy off as lucky is retarded.
The same stubborn Jerry that wanted to do it his way and hired Jimmy is the same guy we have now, you got to take the good and the bad.