Babe's 3things Jerry did wry g to get us to where we are

[VA Cowboy]

Yes, he hired Jimmy and let him run most of the football side of the organization, including personnel.

What he has done since then going back to the spring of '94 has been the problem. Pay attention.

 

[superpunk]

He knew Jimmy from his playing days at Arkansas. They were buddies. That is the only reason Jerry was able to bring in Jimmy. It wasn't that he had this brilliant idea that Jimmy Johnson would be a Superbowl coach.

Jerry "lucked" into Jimmy.

That much is clear.

How else do you explain the complete ineptitude he's displayed in hiring virtually every other coach under his watch?

Someone should pay attention.

 

[Cythim]

And at the same time if he doesn't hire Jimmy and create the 90s dynasty we're 2-3 in super bowls and 4 behind Pittsburgh.

You can't say what happens if Jerry doesn't buy the franchise. There are infinite possibilities and you have only outlined one of them. Perhaps someone else buys them and brings in Belichick to win 10 Super Bowls over the last two decades instead. We could be in a worse situation without Jerry but we could also be in a better situation, and almost anything would be better than our last 15 years.

 

[Cr122]

He knew him from his days in Arkansas. If not for that connection Jimmy never would've been here.

And since those days Jerry hasn't wanted to give anyone power like Jimmy had which explains the Switzer's, Gailey's, Campo's, Wade's and Garrett's. Only following the three 5-11 Campo years and when Jerry wanted backing for a stadium, did he bring BP and give him nearly the same power Jimmy had. But once things got righted, Jerry went right back to his same old way.

Absolutely correct.

 

[cmd34]

And at the same time if he doesn't hire Jimmy and create the 90s dynasty we're 2-3 in super bowls and 4 behind Pittsburgh.

Of course I'm glad we won those. The 90's were great and we dominated the sports world. Everyone was either a Cowboy fan or Cowboy hater, no one in between.

In your scenario, had we not won those, and we would have gone all this time with Jerry and his act I think 99% of the fans would have revolted by now. The main argument for those who are loyal to Jerry is 3 Superbowls in the 90's. Without that, I don't think anyone would be able to defend him under any circumstances.

 

[Midswat]

Someone should pay attention.

You?

Yes, I realize Jerry hired Jimmy because he knew him. Ergo, he lucked into him.

You know who else Jerry hired because he knew him? Barry Switzer.

In other words, Jerry didn't know what he was looking for in a coach. He just hired someone he knew. He got lucky that Jimmy was so damned good.

 

[Theebs]

Bum Bright didn't hire ****** coaches and take over the personnel dept himself.

+1 for Bum Bright.

Bum bright was a bad owner.

Different conversations about gm. Bum had one in Tex schramm. They were going to hire Marty schottenheimer with wade as there coordinator in 88, but Landry decided to stay.

Who knows how that would have turned out.

Bum was a worse owner than Jerry without question. But to say that makes Jerry a good guy in personnel is wrong.

Brandt and schramm were still here under bum.

 

[superpunk]

IOW zero credit for doing anything right, 100% credit for doing everything wrong. Hippo-crit.

 

[VA Cowboy]

IOW zero credit for doing anything right, 100% credit for doing everything wrong. Hippo-crit.

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Jerry apologist lol

 

[cmd34]

IOW zero credit for doing anything right, 100% credit for doing everything wrong. Hippo-crit.

I don't see that. The way I feel is that the negatives of Jerry greatly outweigh the positives.

If him winning 3 Superbowls early on buys him 30 years of mediocre teams then you and I have different expectations for our sports teams.

 

[superpunk]

I don't see that. The way I feel is that the negatives of Jerry greatly outweigh the positives.

If him winning 3 Superbowls early on buys him 30 years of mediocre teams then you and I have different expectations for our sports teams.

Where did I say any of that?

All I said was be fair. If you want to criticize him for his ineptitude when he does things wrong then give him credit for what he did right. Don't hypocritically pass it off as luck so you don't have to say anything nice about Jerry.

 

[superpunk]

Kiss the rings, bitches.

 

[Midswat]

SP is right again. Jerry deserves mountains of credit for lucking into a great coach. Lets just overlook the fact that he poisoned the relationship with his need for glory/attention/control.

For he's a jolly good fellow. Which nobody can deny.

 

[superpunk]

You're right again. Jerry deserves mountains of credit for lucking into a great coach. Lets just overlook the fact that he poisoned the relationship with his need for glory/attention/control.

No, we acknowledge that, because we are capable of complex rational thought and understand that Jerry can make good and bad decisions. And when he makes good ones, we don't have to cry into our blanket and call them luck just so we can avoid giving him any credit whatsoever. Then when he makes bad ones, we criticize him for it.

See how the world isn't just a black and white, ur either with us or against us scenario, dbair?

 

[cmd34]

Kiss the rings, bitches.

I love how the guy he's talking to (Panthers owner Richardson?) is not paying attention to whatever Jerry is saying.

 

[Midswat]

In order to give someone credit for making a good decision, I'll consider the method in which they made the decision.

It's only a decision if you're deciding on multiple options.

With Jerry, it was Jimmy.

Why?

'Cause he knew him.

k?

 

[Midswat]

In other words... if Jerry bought the team, fired Landry, and then conducted a series of interviews, decided that Jimmy was the best man for the job, and hired him... then yeah, I'll head pat the little happy-go-lucky ******.

That wasn't the case.

In fact, in every instance where he did interview multiple candidates, he went ahead and hired inept lackeys.

 

[superpunk]

In order to give someone credit for making a good decision, I'll consider the method in which they made the decision.

It's only a decision if you're deciding on multiple options.

With Jerry, it was Jimmy.

Why?

'Cause he knew him.

k?

oh ok my bad I didn't know you could read minds.

:fern

 

[Midswat]

oh ok my bad I didn't know you could read minds.

It's common knowledge.

 

[jiggyfly]

In order to give someone credit for making a good decision, I'll consider the method in which they made the decision.

It's only a decision if you're deciding on multiple options.

With Jerry, it was Jimmy.

Why?

'Cause he knew him.

k?

Why should he get no credit for hiring him just because he knew him?

It would have been far easier to hire a coach with NFL exp or even left Landry in charge and it would have been very easy for him to fire Jimmy after going 1-15 when they both were the laughing stock of the NFL.

SP is right you have to give Jerry credit for the Jimmy hire and further credit for staying the course, I don't know why it is so hard to give the man any credit whatsoever.

And its equally stupid to be labeled a Jerry apologist for acknowledging that he has done some things right.