Atheism to Defeat Religion By 2038

[Everlastingxxx]

Typically in a debate it makes more sense to bring out the issues instead of making generalizations about one's faith, beliefs or ideas. That's not really original or free thinking. Matter of fact, that's the epitome of narrow minded.

I just told you how i took your answers. Doesn’t mean that’s the way it is. I just wanted to see if you would be honest about other doctrines in the bible. It’s expected, you claim the bible isn’t confusing, but you know that’s not an honest answer.

Are you of the opinion that challenging discrepancies between the gospel account is something earth shattering and original? Actually, I have no idea what you were getting at because you never did say.

Much like the lack of a rapture in the bible, many people do not realize how fucked up the resurrection story is in the gospels.

 

[skidadl]

I just told you how i took your answers. Doesn’t mean that’s the way it is. I just wanted to see if you would be honest about other doctrines in the bible. It’s expected, you claim the bible isn’t confusing, but you know that’s not an honest answer.



Much like the lack of a rapture in the bible, many people do not realize how fucked up the resurrection story is in the gospels.

I would be glad to talk about the gospel accounts but I'm not going to answer 3 questions first when I can see from a mile away where this is going. What is the point of that? You are not introducing new ideas that I haven't heard, debated and thought about before. Let's not pretend that you have some revolutionary ideas about the accounts. Basically the classic questions about the bible is where this is going. And there's nothing wrong with questioning it or discussing it. Hey, it's all good because I have been at a point in my life where I ready to flush the bible down the toilet (after years of being a hardcore believer).

As far as not being honest about things, I really do not have any idea what you are talking about. Are you still talking about chronological order? Claiming that I'm scared to be honest is a real hoot. I'm just not taking a three part test and writing the whatever essay that you want from me to write. Just ask the damn question dude and stop being a woman.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

It's the song that never ends, it goes on and on my friends, people started singing it not knowing what it was, but they'll continue singing it forever just because...it's the song that never ends, it goes on and on my friends

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I'm flattered, everlasting.

 

[Everlastingxxx]

I would be glad to talk about the gospel accounts but I'm not going to answer 3 questions first when I can see from a mile away where this is going. What is the point of that? You are not introducing new ideas that I haven't heard, debated and thought about before. Let's not pretend that you have some revolutionary ideas about the accounts. Basically the classic questions about the bible is where this is going. And there's nothing wrong with questioning it or discussing it. Hey, it's all good because I have been at a point in my life where I ready to flush the bible down the toilet (after years of being a hardcore believer).

I told you, you missed it. I could relate to you on the rapture thing and wanted to see if we shared any other common ground. You are probably closer to being an atheist than you would admit (not a fact, just stating my opinion).

As far as not being honest about things, I really do not have any idea what you are talking about. Are you still talking about chronological order? Claiming that I'm scared to be honest is a real hoot. I'm just not taking a three part test and writing the whatever essay that you want from me to write. Just ask the damn question dude and stop being a woman.

The part about flushing the bible down the toilet, that’s honesty. That’s what i am talking about. Now the chronological order question, i don’t know how else to ask that question. Take the fucking 4 gospels and put them in chronological order (after the resurrection). Since you are a “bottom line guy” the bottom line is that it doesn’t make sense. Mark, the oldest of the gospels, had no ending until the church added one later. You don’t find that odd?

 

[Everlastingxxx]

I'm flattered, everlasting.

Get a chick and we can swing.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Get a chick and we can swing.

I got one, let's party down.

 

[Everlastingxxx]

I got one, let's party down.

Nice, u come to Texas often?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Nice, u come to Texas often?

Only to beat the shit out of theogt.

 

[NoDak]

You are probably closer to being an atheist than you would admit (not a fact, just stating my opinion).

lol

Skid, the athiest.

 

[Iamtdg]

lol

Skid, the athiest.

Please don't hate when the window licker gets a good lick in.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

NoDak is a moderator? Since when??

 

[skidadl]

Here's what really annoys me to no end - that good Christian folks have no freaking idea what is in the bible. That we have all of these made up ideas about it but really aren't good at practicing the teachings of Jesus. Nope, just lots of traditions, new hoops to jump through that aren't scriptural in order to be saved, greed and general self centeredness. The gospel is not about figuring out new ways to pretend that we are loving the world all the while spreading a message of hate. Seeking the money of the rich (I'm not poor by any means) and trying to suck up to the prominent. Spending too much time focused on sin and not enough time on living Like Jesus.

It's real simple - man is sinful, man cannot cleans himself from sin, Jesus bridged the gap, you don't have to become acceptable to God by becoming a "better person" or trying harder because that will never happen. There is no condemnation for those that are in Christ but that's not the end of it. The purpose of that is for a good life now, free from guilt. If you have experienced that then there is an outward expression in the redeemed that creates someone who wants to follow God. Not a fear that drives the person to "be good" that's stupid and doesn't work.

Now, it's not the believer's job to go tell all of the non-believers that they suck or stand in the pulpit and profess how teh gayzz are ruining everything. That is the dumbest idea ever. Matter of fact, Jesus was gentlest with sinners and harshest with the pharisees. Hello! There's a clue...Jesus said He didn't come into the world to to condemn it. So why the frick do churches believe that it is their job? No earthly idea.

We don't need to try to figure out how to get to Washington to stop the gayzz, heathens and atheists. lol, that is laughable. How bout this one - love people, be at peace...here is one of my favorite scriptures:

Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect

Nowhere do I see that we should go into the world and tell everyone that they suck. Nope, matter of fact, the bible is pretty clear on a few things; that is this - those who are in Christ are really nothing special, have done nothing special and deserve the same as Joe Atheist. Only one thing separates the two - Christ's redemption. In other words, don't get all puffed up thinking that you are special. That in no way lines up with the overarching theme of the message of Christ.

 

[skidadl]

The part about flushing the bible down the toilet, that’s honesty. That’s what i am talking about. Now the chronological order question, i don’t know how else to ask that question. Take the fucking 4 gospels and put them in chronological order (after the resurrection). Since you are a “bottom line guy” the bottom line is that it doesn’t make sense. Mark, the oldest of the gospels, had no ending until the church added one later. You don’t find that odd?

The gospels vary for one main reason.

They were the accounts of 4 different people written at 4 different times. What do you expect? It was 4 eye witness accounts.

In police investigating do you know what the most believable form of corroborating eye witness accounts is? When the story is varied. Take 4 witnesses and interview them all. If the story lines up pretty much the same with a few variations its much more believable that everyone being word for word. That sounds much more rehearsed.

What did the gospels all say? Sinners need a savior, Jesus is the savior, He was born of a virgin, He was crucified for our sins, he was resurrected thereby paying the ultimate price for mankind. Story over.

Here's the deal, I feel very fortunate that I get to be a around a group of believers who let everyone work these peripheral issues out on their own. Grasp what is called "the essentials" and work the non-essentials out on your own, within your own conscience. There is no time to try to make robots out of everyone, there is too much to get done for people who actually want help.

Do you need/want a savior? No? OK, cool, is there any other way I can help you? No? Awesome, have a great life and let me know if you change your mind. ~high five~

 

[skidadl]

Let me clarify, I'm not arguing the point because I'm trying to convince you. I am just answering your question.

 

[jeebus]

Do you need/want a savior? No? OK, cool, is there any other way I can help you? No? Awesome, have a great life and let me know if you change your mind. ~high five~

You boys are lucky you just have skid to deal with, I would convert you heathens with the sword. Believe what you will, but you will mouth platitudes praising the goodness of my god or else...

 

[Iamtdg]

Get a god damn avatar, Hugh.

 

[superpunk]

It's real simple - man is sinful, man cannot cleans himself from sin, Jesus bridged the gap, you don't have to become acceptable to God by becoming a "better person" or trying harder because that will never happen.

Original sin is the vilest, stupidest doctrine man has ever come up with.

When you explain the concept to a child, they immediately recognize it as flawed and unfair. It's only by being beaten over the head with it's stupidity for years that it is accepted by adults.

 

[NoDak]

When you explain the concept to a child, they immediately recognize it as flawed and unfair.

I would love to hear your explanation on this.

Keep in mind, that if a child doesn't get their way over pretty much anything, they'll pout or throw a tantrum. Thinking your decision was flawed and unfair.

 

[jeebus]

I would love to hear your explanation on this.

Keep in mind, that if a child doesn't get their way over pretty much anything, they'll pout or throw a tantrum. Thinking your decision was flawed and unfair.

Is there anything more self centered and uncaring than a child? I don't think anything demonstrates original sin better than the fact children have to be taught to be moral or they turn into tiny little monster. Want a sociopath? You can raise one, because their is that innate evilness in us all.