2016 NFL Draft Thread...

[peplaw06]

and you are just another drone shilling the party line. Which by the way in case you have not noticed= and judging from your posts that is all you are= the current way things are being done work how much of the time? Notice you hide from questions like that.

The current way things are done in finding QB talent? I mean, that's the way it's done in the NFL. They identify guys who have talent from college performances, then interview them based on that. It has only uncovered every single QB talent to ever play in the NFL.

What do you want, an exact science? It doesn't exist when it comes to psychology as much as playing QB in the NFL does. Psychology is called a "soft science" for this purpose. You can't look at a persons brain waves and determine how well they'll perform as a NFL QB.

I mean, I struggle to even understand what you're advocating here... Are you saying that the scouts need to "analyze the hell out of the top 10 or 20 QBs in NFL history," find what they have in common mentally, then go to the local community college and start interviewing students in history class to see who has those same mental processes? THEN go out to the football field and see who can throw a fucking football? That would be the most assinine plan you could possibly come up with.

It's not even a debate. There's no question that teams look at physical traits first. That's why players are invited to the combine based on their collegiate performance. These teams can't even talk to these guys until after they're done playing college ball. You just want them to ignore college football altogether and never lay eyes on the guy until they get in the interview room?

 

[Midswat]

and the current system fails how much of the time? Notice you do not want to seem to address that FACT.

The current system fails for any number of reasons:

1. QB's, especially high draft picks, being forced to play too early.
2. QB's drafted high are often on poor teams, which means they often go through multiple coaching changes in todays instant results demanded NFL.
3. Inability to predict how a QB will perform in any given system, unless they've played said system previous. A lot of times its a case of pairing a QB's skill set with a specific offense. If you think Montana ends up in the HOF running the Run & Shoot, you're wrong.
4. Inability to predict how a 22 year old will respond to being a millionaire ten times over.
5. Poor organizations/coaching.

Etc etc


I mean, if being super smart was all it took, you address the FACT as to WHY players like Kellen Moore don't get their shot in the NFL?

Why do coaches, scouts, GM's of all levels, even the most successful at identifying QB talent, draft based on specific skills like arm strength, size, etc?


You mean to tell me burmfraid somehow has stumbled on the key to avoiding QB busts? Just look for the smart dude?

Give me a fucking break.

 

[Midswat]

Players prove to be busts all the time in the NFL at every position. Whats your fucking point again????


And who the fuck ever said Peyton Manning didn't have a strong arm coming out of Tennessee?

 

[Scot]

If it came down simply to smarts then Garret would have taken over for Aikman when he had the opportunity

He didn't
Garret may be intelligent but that never made him anything other than a back up QB

 

[MrB]

If it came down simply to smarts then Garret would have taken over for Aikman when he had the opportunity

He didn't
Garret may be intelligent but that never made him anything other than a back up QB

Seems I also pointed that out. The response I got though was "why, just because he went to Princeton means he's smarter than Aikman?"

 

[bbgun]

UCLA is the Harvard of the West

 

[onlyonenow]

Players prove to be busts all the time in the NFL at every position. Whats your fucking point again????


And who the fuck ever said Peyton Manning didn't have a strong arm coming out of Tennessee?

anyone who ever saw him play.

 

[onlyonenow]

If it came down simply to smarts then Garret would have taken over for Aikman when he had the opportunity

He didn't
Garret may be intelligent but that never made him anything other than a back up QB

football IQ is quite a bit different then regular IQ. Lots of very smart people with high grades at difficult schools showed football stupidity over the years

 

[onlyonenow]

The current system fails for any number of reasons:

1. QB's, especially high draft picks, being forced to play too early.
2. QB's drafted high are often on poor teams, which means they often go through multiple coaching changes in todays instant results demanded NFL.
3. Inability to predict how a QB will perform in any given system, unless they've played said system previous. A lot of times its a case of pairing a QB's skill set with a specific offense. If you think Montana ends up in the HOF running the Run & Shoot, you're wrong.
4. Inability to predict how a 22 year old will respond to being a millionaire ten times over.
5. Poor organizations/coaching.

Etc etc


I mean, if being super smart was all it took, you address the FACT as to WHY players like Kellen Moore don't get their shot in the NFL?

Why do coaches, scouts, GM's of all levels, even the most successful at identifying QB talent, draft based on specific skills like arm strength, size, etc?


You mean to tell me burmfraid somehow has stumbled on the key to avoiding QB busts? Just look for the smart dude?

Give me a fucking break.

well well well got quite a reaction there..... insecurity tends to do that to wannabe experts.

Only idiots can conclude the current way the NFL evaluates QB prospects is NOT fatally flawed by how many are drafted in the first round and are busts. Higher then any other position. Certainly you have more to evaluate at QB but that is not a sufficient excuse. Only true MORONS would keep doing the same thing again and again and keep blowing the shots.

Einstein said it very well: one definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

 

[Scot]

football IQ is quite a bit different then regular IQ. Lots of very smart people with high grades at difficult schools showed football stupidity over the years

Agreed

Now wouldn't you want your head coach to have "Football Smarts" more so than any man involved in your football team?

 

[Midswat]

well well well got quite a reaction there..... insecurity tends to do that to wannabe experts.

Only idiots can conclude the current way the NFL evaluates QB prospects is NOT fatally flawed by how many are drafted in the first round and are busts. Higher then any other position. Certainly you have more to evaluate at QB but that is not a sufficient excuse. Only true MORONS would keep doing the same thing again and again and keep blowing the shots.

Einstein said it very well: one definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

Insecurity? No... just trying to answer your question. It's a discussion forum. Don't ask questions if you don't want answers.

But yeah, you're probably right and the entire rest of the football community is wrong. Arm strength is irrelevant. Simply amazing that coaches, scouts, GM's and basically everyone involved in the NFL has yet to stumble upon this gem of an idea.


PS - You didn't even acknowledge any of my points. I get it... ya got nothing. Except the "it fails a lot so it can't be the right way!"

 

[Dodger12]

I pretty much ignore anything anyone says about a QB if they first talk about arm strength or size. What is really important about a QB FIRST is what is between the ears. EVERYTHING ELSE is second at best.

Your whole argument has devolved and, quite frankly, I question someone's knowledge about what he's talking about when he labels folks as "morons" or "stupid" if they have an opposing view. That just tells me you can't articulate your point. Don't get me wrong, you can banter back and forth and think someone is stupid but, at the very least, raise some legitimate popints but you do very little of that.

Probably one of the sharpest QB's to come out IMO was Chad Pennington. He had limited physical skills but they were just adequate enough and he was very football smart. He had some success initially but all that changed when he hurt his shoulder and he lost what little arms strength he had. The reality is that football smarts only takes you so far. You identify those QB's that have the physical tools first and then work your way from there. Not everyone is going to have a Jeff George, Elway or Aikman arm but they better be able to make all the throws or NFL defenses will only need to defend a smaller portion of the field. That may work in college but it won't work in the NFL.

And while there were strong armed QB's that failed in the NFL, there were also suceesful college QB's that couldn't make it in the NFL because they were physically challenged. Think Danny Wuerffel, Detmer, Colt Brennan, Kellen Moore and the list can go on.

 

[MrB]

Both Detmer brothers

 

[peplaw06]

And while there were strong armed QB's that failed in the NFL, there were also suceesful college QB's that couldn't make it in the NFL because they were physically challenged. Think Danny Wuerffel, Detmer, Colt Brennan, Kellen Moore and the list can go on.

Exactly right. Just as there are many QBs who had all the physical skills but didn't have the head for the game, there are probably more QBs who were football geniuses who didn't have the skills to cut it. The difference is those guys weren't considered busts, because they weren't high draft picks.

Teams take chances on smart guys with inferior skills in the later parts of the draft or in free agency, so when they don't pan out, no one cares. But all first rounders have the physical skills... and most QBs in this league are found in the first round. So the scouts are doing something right.

 

[SixisBetter]

Only idiots can conclude the current way the NFL evaluates QB prospects is NOT fatally flawed by how many are drafted in the first round and are busts.

I'm assuming you'll be marketing your superior method to the NFL shortly?

 

[bbgun]

McShay:

From Cleveland's perspective, Goff has a bit more velocity on his fastball to cut through the wind, while Wentz has more experience playing in the cold.

Goff has the stronger arm? news to me.

 

[MrB]

McShay:



Goff has the stronger arm? news to me.

Yea, that's the first time I've heard anyone say that. Just makes me like Goff even more. The Combine needs to hurry up and get here.

 

[ZeroClub]

Brian Broaddus says that in his opinion the Cowboys should draft E. Elliott at #4.

 

[Iamtdg]

Brian Broaddus says that in his opinion the Cowboys should draft E. Elliott at #4.

I wouldn't doubt it. They always knee-jerk, and after last year with average RB production and the criticism that was given, I can see them trying to reach for a RB.

 

[dbair1967]

Brian Broaddus says that in his opinion the Cowboys should draft E. Elliott at #4.

He'd potentially have a huge impact on the team if he stayed healthy. Can definitely do it all and is an outstanding blocker and receiver.

That said, I still think we should take a QB