2016 NFL Draft Thread...

[Midswat]

Broaddus is a dipshit.

I'm not saying Ezekial wouldn't help us, but IMO you don't take a RB that early unless you're getting an absolute elite prospect. And while EE is very good, he's not a generational type player. Not in the Adrian Peterson, healthy Gurley mold. And IIRC neither of those two went in the top 4, although I could be wrong about AP (don't care enough to look).

EE is on the same level as Stephen Jackson IMO. The last RB I really wanted when we really needed a RB. He was taken in the 20's.

If we take EE at #4, I'll start complaining about how this franchise is run - which is something I basically never do.

 

[Midswat]

Also Broadus can go fuck himself because he blocked me on twitter just because I said I was looking forward to Jerry dying, or some shit.

 

[Dodger12]

Teams take chances on smart guys with inferior skills in the later parts of the draft or in free agency, so when they don't pan out, no one cares. But all first rounders have the physical skills... and most QBs in this league are found in the first round. So the scouts are doing something right.

Yep. Teams are just not going to gamble on QB's that don't possess the physical gifts needed to succeed int he NFL. It's why guys like Brees and probably even Montana were drafted after the 1st round. And while we're at it, how did we forget Doug Flutie? The guy was a Heisman winner and drafted in the 11th round which we don't even have today.

 

[ThoughtExperiment]

I really like Elliott as a player, but I bet Jerry's man crush on MackFadden would keep him from using #4 on any RB.

And on the QB, teams take QBs they know are imperfect all the time. After all, the Aikman or Elway or Luck types are very rare. And if you're a team like that's gone years or even decades without a QB, you'll take a gamble that you can coach up a physical talent rather than go years more with the Brian Hoyers of the world who everyone knows give you no chance to go anywhere.

 

[Dodger12]

No way I use a #4 on a RB. No way, no how. QB, DE and even CB if he's special but they're a rare breed.

This draft will certainly be interesting and it could either help us bridge the end of Romo's career or put us further in decline and prolong our misery.

 

[ZeroClub]

Broaddus explains that he favors E. Elliott at #4 because he (Broaddus) thinks that Elliott:

1) is one of the top 4 or so most talented players in this draft at any position

2) would make an immediate and significant impact ... from Day 1 (Elliott is a 3-down back; he pass protects well too)

3) is quite unlikely to be a bust. Broaddus believes that the OT from Ole Miss, along with Elliott, are the two highest impact players who are the least likely to be busts. Broaddus believes it is essential that the Cowboys come away with a very high quality, highly productive player with the #4 pick and that a bust at #4 would be almost catastrophic.

Broaddus is taking a risk-averse approach, in which he is willing to sacrifice some "value at pick" in favor of "picking a surer thing."

 

[Iamtdg]

Broaddus is a moronic shill.

 

[ZeroClub]

Broaddus is a moronic shill.

I won't argue with the "moronic" part, but he hasn't been much of a shill lately.

I listened to a "Cowboys Break" show that aired this week on the dc.com site and Broaddus was surprisingly blunt and critical of the current state of affairs. Among other things, he said that Garrett and the coaching staff were "too comfortable" and that some changes needed to be made so that there would be an influx of new ideas. ... I think there are a lot of people here at DCU who would find themselves agreeing with what Broaddus said about the coaching staff.

Just a general disclaimer ... I don't endorse what Broaddus says about the #4 pick, but I do think what he says makes for a semi-interesting discussion.

 

[ThoughtExperiment]

Broaddus explains that he favors E. Elliott at #4 because he (Broaddus) thinks that Elliott:

1) is one of the top 4 or so most talented players in this draft at any position

2) would make an immediate and significant impact ... from Day 1 (Elliott is a 3-down back; he pass protects well too)

3) is quite unlikely to be a bust. Broaddus believes that the OT from Ole Miss, along with Elliott, are the two highest impact players who are the least likely to be busts. Broaddus believes it is essential that the Cowboys come away with a very high quality, highly productive player with the #4 pick and that a bust at #4 would be almost catastrophic.

Broaddus is taking a risk-averse approach, in which he is is willing to sacrifice some "value at pick" in favor of "picking a surer thing."

That's not totally crazy, but it is the polar opposite of the way Jerry thinks.

I guess you could say Martin vs Manziel was also, but I bet Jerry wants to be happy with the #4 overall more than the #16 overall.

 

[Dodger12]

I won't argue with the "moronic" part, but he hasn't been much of a shill lately.

He's still a shill in the sense that he's probably just endorsing an idea supported by the organization. The fact that he's being a bit critical and endorsing changes is probably the way Jerry and his spawn think and guys like Broaddus are their mouthpiece.

I can't speak for his evaluations and I know some folks are pretty critical of his but I'd still read his analysis as a former scout and then form my own opinion.

 

[Iamtdg]

He's still a shill in the sense that he's probably just endorsing an idea supported by the organization. The fact that he's being a bit critical and endorsing changes is probably the way Jerry and his spawn think and guys like Broaddus are their mouthpiece.

I can't speak for his evaluations and I know some folks are pretty critical of his but I'd still read his analysis as a former scout and then form my own opinion.

Yeah, he is and will always be a shill. He has said negative things in the past, but usually follows them with something ridiculously stupid soon after. He isn't Spags-level shill, but he definitely toes the company line the vast majority of the time.

 

[ZeroClub]

All I can say is that what I heard this week did not sound like the words of a shill. I was surprised by how blunt and critical Broaddus was. If you listen to what he said, it might surprise you too.

 

[ZeroClub]

That's not totally crazy, but it is the polar opposite of the way Jerry thinks.

I guess you could say Martin vs Manziel was also, but I bet Jerry wants to be happy with the #4 overall more than the #16 overall.

Right, and Broaddus readily admits that he in no way thinks that the Cowboys will pick Elliott at #4.

However I do think that Jerry would find it much easier to pick a top running back in the first round than a top offensive guard. Jerry is all about the "wow players;" he could happily try to sell an RB as transformative. More difficult to do that with a guard.

Still, in my opinion, if Jerry really wants to pick Elliott, it probably would be best to trade back a couple of slots (at least) ...

 

[dbair1967]

No way I use a #4 on a RB. No way, no how. QB, DE and even CB if he's special but they're a rare breed.

This draft will certainly be interesting and it could either help us bridge the end of Romo's career or put us further in decline and prolong our misery.

I agree on CB and maybe the DE spot, but don't agree on DB (CB).

Elliott would make more difference than any DB in this draft, especially with our OL.

 

[dbair1967]

Broaddus is a moronic shill.

Broaddus is irritating at times, but I don't think he's a shill.

I don't think he's anything like Spagnola.

 

[MrB]

I really like Elliott but if he were the target I would definitely trade back and pick up some extra picks. If they really want Elliott they could even trade out of the top 10 and get Elliott.

 

[ZeroClub]

I really like Elliott but if he were the target I would definitely trade back and pick up some extra picks. If they really want Elliott they could even trade out of the top 10 and get Elliott.

Trade back a bit, pick Elliott, then later pick up one of the 2nd-tier QB prospects.

Not a bad idea, especially if you aren't solidly impressed with the 1st tier QB prospect who is available at #4.

 

[MrB]

Trade back a bit, pick Elliott, then later pick up one of the 2nd-tier QB prospects.

Not a bad idea, especially if you aren't solidly impressed with the 1st tier QB prospect who is available at #4.

Personally I would still go with one of the QB's at #4.

 

[dbair1967]

I really like Elliott but if he were the target I would definitely trade back and pick up some extra picks. If they really want Elliott they could even trade out of the top 10 and get Elliott.

I dont know how far they can reasonably go back and still get him. There's quite a few teams not far behind us that need a RB.

Miami is apparently letting Miller walk, Tampa might let Martin walk, 0the Giants could have some real interest, maybe even Chicago if Forte is gone.

I still firmly believe QB should be our first pick though, as long as they believe the guy is atalented and possesses the work ethic and intangibles to succeed long term.

 

[MrB]

I dont know how far they can reasonably go back and still get him. There's quite a few teams not far behind us that need a RB.

Miami is apparently letting Miller walk, Tampa might let Martin walk, 0the Giants could have some real interest, maybe even Chicago if Forte is gone.

I still firmly believe QB should be our first pick though, as long as they believe the guy is atalented and possesses the work ethic and intangibles to succeed long term.

I'd love to sign either Miller or Martin so that we wouldn't have to draft a RB at all.