Yo Santorum maybe just muzzle your Christianity until you win?

[VA Cowboy]

You ask me to cherry pick a passage for you then turn around and accuse me of cherry picking. Yet here you are cherry picking the interpretation that fits within your belief structure and your argument.

No, I asked you to show me where Christ instructs believers to kill. You didn't. You cherry picked some verse that was totally irrelevant and talks about something entirely different.

 

[VA Cowboy]

See: The Bible

See also: Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses, Amish/Mennonites, etc.

inb4"They're not true Christians/their interpretation of the text is wrong"

Thanks for qualifying and basically admitting that you are well aware that your examples are from those who have misinterpreted/perverted intentionally the Bible.

 

[Cythim]

No, I asked you to show me where Christ instructs believers to kill. You didn't. You cherry picked some verse that was totally irrelevant and talks about something entirely different.

You pretend that it talks about something entirely different because that is how you want to interpret it. Does it really make sense for a Christian to threaten a Jew by telling him he will be cut off from the Jewish community? Logic prevails.

 

[superpunk]

Thanks for qualifying and basically admitting that you are well aware that your examples are from those who have misinterpreted/perverted intentionally the Bible.

Christianity
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Passages in the New Testament, such as 1_Corinthians 5:11-13. and Matthew 18:15–17, suggest shunning as a practice of early Christians,[citation needed] and are cited as such by its modern-day practitioners within Christianity. However, not all Christian scholars or denominations agree on this interpretation of these verses.

Policies governing the use of shunning vary from one organization to another.

BIG SURPRISE. It's awesome how unified the church is. They all claim to be following the same guy but they all believe he meant something different. Refer to my earlier comment about using the second and thirdhand accounts of the sayings of a liberal hippy fag as a system of beliefs.

 

[VA Cowboy]

No, it's still practiced to this day. If you say you're out, or if they kick you out for "wrongdoing/sinning" the shunning commences.

Some cults practice shunning. Cool. I guess this is the best example that could be found for Christians being taught to kill their enemies? Interesting...carry on.

 

[NoDak]

No, it's still practiced to this day. If you say you're out, or if they kick you out for "wrongdoing/sinning" the shunning commences.

Oh, I'm not saying it's not. Just that it stated it was more widespread back in the day than it is today.

I know a staunch liberal here (I know this because I've argued with him politically over the years) locally that 'shunned' his son when he revealed he was gay at the age of 20. This guy even argued gay rights, etc... But when it hit close to home? GTFO. He has nothing to do with his kid to this day. Won't even talk about him. And I thought libs were supposed to be the accepting, live and let live side of the coin.

I know this isn't exactly religion, but it's still a viable example. Some things happen. Even if they go against the core belief of whatever it involves. So, in short, it happens. Doesn't mean it is the common practice.

 

[superpunk]

Some cults practice shunning. Cool. I guess this is the best example that could be found for Christians being taught to kill their enemies? Interesting...carry on.

lmao...no true scotsmen fallcy. They don't agree with your brand of Christianity so they're "cults". I also liked the part where you downplayed the devastating impact of shunning on a person.

We don't kill them, we just make it so everyone they've ever known or loved treats them like they're dead.

 

[Everlastingxxx]

Some cults practice shunning. Cool. I guess this is the best example that could be found for Christians being taught to kill their enemies? Interesting...carry on.

Ok what’s this argument about? I don’t recall Christ telling believers to kill non-believers, although he does say he did not come to bring peace, but a sword. Translate how you like. But what does it matter? Christ is God, correct...same person, right? (talk about shutting your brain off to make that work) Ok, God kills and made commands to kill, old testament, new testament, doesn’t matter. God never changes, he is the same yesterday, today and forever according to your bible. Christ is returning someday and burning everyone up...what is your point?

 

[superpunk]

I know this isn't exactly religion

Exactly. And shunning doesn't really go against the "core beliefs" of Christianity. It's right there in the bible. Don't associate with the non-believer. Don't eat with them. Interpretations of that are as varied as there are sects of Christianity which is the retarded thing about Christians claiming to follow the same God, but it's right there. These sects contain MILLIONS of people who are having their lives affected by this barbaric practice simply because they don't think the same.

But oh guys look how hateful the Muslims are. gimme a break. It's all the same divisive garbage.

 

[VA Cowboy]

lmao...no true scotsmen fallcy. They don't agree with your brand of Christianity so they're "cults". I also liked the part where you downplayed the devastating impact of shunning on a person.

We don't kill them, we just make it so everyone they've ever known or loved treats them like they're dead.

Sects, for lack of a better term, that have intentionally misrepresented the Bible and added/substracted from it are cults. Funny how you try to act like they are all the same.

And "shunning" and "killing" aren't the same either. But let's pretend they are here. gotcha.

 

[superpunk]

Sects, for lack of a better term, that have intentionally misrepresented the Bible and added/substracted from it are cults. Funny how you try to act like they are all the same.

And "shunning" and "killing" aren't the same either. But let's pretend they are here. gotcha.

I never claimed they were the same. Learn to read good ok buddy.

 

[VA Cowboy]

Ok what’s this argument about? I don’t recall Christ telling believers to kill non-believers, although he does say he did not come to bring peace, but a sword. Translate how you like. But what does it matter? Christ is God, correct...same person, right? (talk about shutting your brain off to make that work) Ok, God kills and made commands to kill, old testament, new testament, doesn’t matter. God never changes, he is the same yesterday, today and forever according to your bible. Christ is returning someday and burning everyone up...what is your point?

Point is that Christians haven't been commanded to go out and kill their enemies. Muslims on the other hand....

 

[Cythim]

All you Christians better get out of here, Jesus told you not to talk to us non-believers. Maybe you should ban us from your forums instead? It is in the NT so you better listen!

 

[superpunk]

Sects, for lack of a better term, that have intentionally misrepresented the Bible and added/substracted from it are cults. Funny how you try to act like they are all the same.

And "shunning" and "killing" aren't the same either. But let's pretend they are here. gotcha.

And PS all religions are cults.

 

[VA Cowboy]

I never claimed they were the same. Learn to read good ok buddy.

Then what's your point with this tangent? I asked where it stated in the NT for Christians to kill and this verse was presented. Now we can both agree that it was irrelevant to the issue at hand.

Guess you or cynthim can run off to one of those atheist "gotcha" skeptics bible sites and try to conjure up another verse.

 

[VA Cowboy]

All you Christians better get out of here, Jesus told you not to talk to us non-believers. Maybe you should ban us from your forums instead? It is in the NT so you better listen!

Where do you get this stuff from? Jesus himself spoke with non-believers all the time and commanded believers to go out into the world and do the same.

 

[superpunk]

Then what's your point with this tangent? I asked where it stated in the NT for Christians to kill and this verse was presented. Now we can both agree that it was irrelevant to the issue at hand.

Guess you or cynthim can run off to one of those atheist "gotcha" skeptics bible sites and try to conjure up another verse.

I wasn't talking to you with it I was talking to Nodak. Is being unable to follow the flow of a conversation the mark of true Christians or whta?

 

[Cythim]

Then what's your point with this tangent? I asked where it stated in the NT for Christians to kill and this verse was presented. Now we can both agree that it was irrelevant to the issue at hand.

Guess you or cynthim can run off to one of those atheist "gotcha" skeptics bible sites and try to conjure up another verse.

You are talking about a versus that you interpreted incorrectly and no, I'm not guessing.

 

[NoDak]

Exactly. And shunning doesn't really go against the "core beliefs" of Christianity. It's right there in the bible. Don't associate with the non-believer. Don't eat with them. Interpretations of that are as varied as there are sects of Christianity which is the retarded thing about Christians claiming to follow the same God, but it's right there. These sects contain MILLIONS of people who are having their lives affected by this barbaric practice simply because they don't think the same.

But oh guys look how hateful the Muslims are. gimme a break. It's all the same divisive garbage.

sect
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noun
1.
a body of persons adhering to a particular religious faith; a religious denomination.
2.
a group regarded as heretical or as deviating from a generally accepted religious tradition.
3.
(in the sociology of religion) a Christian denomination characterized by insistence on strict qualifications for membership, as distinguished from the more inclusive groups called churches.
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So these sects are all inclusive of the entire group that involves Christianity. Ok. A group of people decide to deviate from the center, and what they practice still includes all. How convenient.

Speaking of convenient, I notice you skipped right past a lib shunning his own. And the fact I used it as an example of things happening that don't go with the norm.

 

[Everlastingxxx]

Point is that Christians haven't been commanded to go out and kill their enemies. Muslims on the other hand....

The bible has commands to kill non-believers, so does the Koran. People cherry pick what they want. Religions tend to threaten death to non-believers to grow and prosper. Once they get big enough, they scale it back and water it down a little. I do find it amusing have you no problems stereotyping the Islam religion.