Yo Santorum maybe just muzzle your Christianity until you win?

[VA Cowboy]

I think the problem is that anyone thinks second and third hand contradictory accounts of what some dude said 2,000 years ago should have any bearing whatsoever on our society. Following that sort of outdated garbage is what marginalizes women, strips people of rights for being different and retards progress by resisting it where it conflicts with their outdated holy texts.

and lol @ the bible not teaching it's followers to kill the infidel. I guess the conquest of the Promised Land went smoothly as the Israelites politely asked the Canaanites to leave and they just rolled out. Oh I almost forgot...facepalm. But the NT is filled with all sorts of that crap too, only now the Christians can just sit back and chill and wait for God to kill all the unbelievers and then burn them eternally. See it's so much different than all those other hateful bigoted holy books, guys.

Like I said, Christians are not taught to kill anyone, not even the infidel. In fact they are taught to turn the other cheek and to love their enemy as themselves.

 

[NoDak]

I guess context is too much to ask someone who still believes in magic sky fairies to comprehend?

Case in point. I've already discussed the context you're using. Comparing today's religion/politics to something that was happening before the US even existed. And you still can't help but to throw out the insults. Like arguing with a child. Throw a tantrum if things don't go your way, or if people disagree.

 

[superpunk]

Lemme guess...you believe in such believable things as life coming into existence from nothing? Gotcha.

I believe like Sagan did;

If we wish to pursue this line of thought courageously, we must of course ask the next question. "Where did God come from?" If we decide that this is an unanswerable question, why not save a step and conclude that the origin of the universe is an unanswerable question? Or, if we say that "God always existed", why not save a step and conclude that the universe always existed. There's no need for a creation, we were always here.

 

[superpunk]

Case in point. I've already discussed the context you're using. Comparing today's religion/politics to something that was happening before the US even existed. And you still can't help but to throw out the insults. Like arguing with a child. Throw a tantrum if things don't go your way, or if people disagree.

ok dude. whatever.

 

[VA Cowboy]

The Old Testament is still there with the 10 Commandments and all. You either follow it or you don't.

If you read the Bible in context you will see what is old law and what isn't. There are certain parts of the OT that still applies to post-NT times and parts that don't. To cherry pick is disingenuous.

 

[superpunk]

17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

 

[VA Cowboy]

I believe like Sagan did;

Except evolution doesn't say "we were always here".

Point being though, atheists and the like enjoy mocking Christians for believing in God and a Creator yet they themselves want to believe in an irrational "the universe always existed" line of thought. You may have a point in mocking about fairy tales if you actually had something concrete that you believed in, but you don't, you just believe in your own fairy tales.

 

[superpunk]

Except evolution doesn't say "we were always here".

Evolution doesn't address origin at all. You should study up on it.

 

[VA Cowboy]

Originally Posted by Jesus
17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

Define "Law"....

There is the Law and there are certain "laws" that applied in those OT times. For instance after Christ, believers were no longer required to sacrifice a lamb or other animal and make a blood sacrifice.
So you are again being disingenuous if you are trying to claim that every law in the OT is applicable to post-NT times.

 

[VA Cowboy]

Evolution doesn't address origin at all. You should study up on it.

Thanks for the reply, but go back one step and evolution has a problem it hasn't explained.

 

[Cythim]

If you read the Bible in context you will see what is old law and what isn't. There are certain parts of the OT that still applies to post-NT times and parts that don't. To cherry pick is disingenuous.

Yes, to cherry pick which parts you want to follow and which you do not is disingenuous. As SP pointed out, the difference is being told directly to kill versus God being the instrument of death. It has been interpreted throughout time that it is okay for Christians to kill non-believers while doing God's work.

 

[Everlastingxxx]

Evolution doesn't address origin at all. You should study up on it.

Good lord this guy is clueless (about evolution, lol).

 

[VA Cowboy]

Yes, to cherry pick which parts you want to follow and which you do not is disingenuous. As SP pointed out, the difference is being told directly to kill versus God being the instrument of death. It has been interpreted throughout time that it is okay for Christians to kill non-believers while doing God's work.

They obviously misinterpreted it and no, I'm not guessing.

 

[VA Cowboy]

Good lord this guy is clueless (about evolution, lol).

Yes, need to brush up on my fairy tales.

 

[superpunk]

Thanks for the reply, but go back one step and evolution has a problem it hasn't explained.

And it never will, because evolution will never deal with origins, bro. It doesn't care where the first organisms came from. We know they existed, and we know how life got from that point to it's current state. How the first organisms and the universe came into existence is an entirely separate problem for an entirely separate field of study.

 

[superpunk]

Define "Law"....

There is the Law and there are certain "laws" that applied in those OT times. For instance after Christ, believers were no longer required to sacrifice a lamb or other animal and make a blood sacrifice.
So you are again being disingenuous if you are trying to claim that every law in the OT is applicable to post-NT times.

That's the problem with using second and thirdhand accounts of what some liberal hippy fag said 2,000 years ago to live your life by. You can never be completely sure what they meant.

 

[Cythim]

Except evolution doesn't say "we were always here".

Point being though, atheists and the like enjoy mocking Christians for believing in God and a Creator yet they themselves want to believe in an irrational "the universe always existed" line of thought. You may have a point in mocking about fairy tales if you actually had something concrete that you believed in, but you don't, you just believe in your own fairy tales.

Not believing in a creator does not equate to "believe in an irrational 'the universe always existed' line of thought." The origin of the universe is a fascinating topic, but we mostly realize we do not know how it all began. We like to guess and test theories and sound smart, but they are always just guesses.

 

[VA Cowboy]

And it never will, because evolution will never deal with origins, bro. It doesn't care where the first organisms came from. We know they existed, and we know how life got from that point to it's current state. How the first organisms and the universe came into existence is an entirely separate problem for an entirely separate field of study.

Yes, I know. Just funny that an entire field of study is predicated on a previous separate field that can't be explained. Yes we can study micro-evolution. But getting it from that first single cell to the complex human....

 

[VA Cowboy]

That's the problem with using second and thirdhand accounts of what some liberal hippy fag said 2,000 years ago to live your life by. You can never be completely sure what they meant.

Thanks for your liberal, atheistic explanation.

 

[VA Cowboy]

Not believing in a creator does not equate to "believe in an irrational 'the universe always existed' line of thought." The origin of the universe is a fascinating topic, but we mostly realize we do not know how it all began. We like to guess and test theories and sound smart, but they are always just guesses.

Guesses, exactly. But by golly we know we're right and those other people are just believing in fairy tales.