We're sacrificing the future with cap restructures

[Midswat]

Want to bet I'm right?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

We know just as much as you know Dbair. Lets not pretend you spend your off hours reviewing NFL contracts.

Common sense dictates it's not good business to have to push guaranteed money into the future in order to get under the cap. How many times have we been burned by this in the past?

I did spend my spare time and look at contracts specifically when they come up and base salaries of guys around that time etc.

Our cap is 'growing' next year to boot as it gets un'Maraed. The hard cap due to the TV deal collusion restructure will be over after that as well and the cap will reflect that money ie higher cap.

We may have issue if we need to give $12m contracts to all 3 of Smith, Bryant and Carter in 2015 but we would have that issue no matter what. The handwringing is unfounded.

 

[dbair1967]

Want to bet I'm right?

Go find the details and get back to me.

 

[superpunk]

Want to bet I'm right?

You probably are right but that doesn't really matter. When is the big money hitting, what are the penalties for getting rid of it early, etc. We give Dez and Co. new contracts their money is pushed off even further. From a simplistic standpoint logically it seems wrong but until I see some team ACTUALLY hit cap hell I'm not going to worry about it. The guards have reasonable contracts, that's all that matters. We just have to avoid giving scrubs big contracts (Spencer/Free).

 

[marionbarberthe4th]

Dez Bryant is a garbage receiver and we need to cut him, I read it right here on this site

 

[Midswat]

Go find the details and get back to me.

How about no.

You probably are right but that doesn't really matter. When is the big money hitting, what are the penalties for getting rid of it early, etc. We give Dez and Co. new contracts their money is pushed off even further. From a simplistic standpoint logically it seems wrong but until I see some team ACTUALLY hit cap hell I'm not going to worry about it. The guards have reasonable contracts, that's all that matters. We just have to avoid giving scrubs big contracts (Spencer/Free).

It absolutely does matter. This team is grossly mismanaging it's cap. We're still feeling the effects of bad contracts from years past, and we're continuing to dole out bad contracts today.

We gave two mediocre guards 30 million in guaranteed money last year. They shockingly played poor football. Now, because of that and other bad deals, we're 20 million over the cap and we're having to keep guaranteeing money to aging players and mediocre players just so we can get by this year.

You can turn a blind eye to it, but it doesn't make it a non issue.

 

[superpunk]

Until it keeps us from signing someone we want then no, it doesn't matter.

Every team has to do the same thing. New Orleans will have to. New England is doing it already. It's just the way business is done. The shocking thing is that fans keep freaking out about it for no reason.

 

[Midswat]

Lets say we have Average Player A with guaranteed money in 2012 and 2013. Lets say low round draft pick or UDFA Player B at same position comes into camp, and for all intents and purposes, outplays Average Player A.

This team will stick with Player A because of the guaranteed money.

That is a problem.

 

[Midswat]

Until it keeps us from signing someone we want then no, it doesn't matter.

It's kept us from signing players we wanted to.

And it could keep us from signing Anthony Spencer this year - a player the team wants to keep.

Every team has to do the same thing. New Orleans will have to. New England is doing it already. It's just the way business is done. The shocking thing is that fans keep freaking out about it for no reason.

I agree that winning teams traditionally have to juggle the cap.

Losing teams (see: us) that do it... well, that's a problem.

 

[superpunk]

Noone should want to sign Anthony Spencer for the money he'll be commanding.

All teams have to do it.

 

[Midswat]

Noone should want to sign Anthony Spencer for the money he'll be commanding.

The Cowboys do. And they likely won't be able to.

But yeah, this is a non-story. Lets give Spears some guaranteed money while we're at it.

GO COWBOYS

 

[dbair1967]

How about no.




It absolutely does matter. This team is grossly mismanaging it's cap. We're still feeling the effects of bad contracts from years past, and we're continuing to dole out bad contracts today.

We gave two mediocre guards 30 million in guaranteed money last year. They shockingly played poor football. Now, because of that and other bad deals, we're 20 million over the cap and we're having to keep guaranteeing money to aging players and mediocre players just so we can get by this year.

You can turn a blind eye to it, but it doesn't make it a non issue.

The only thing gross is the amount of fucking bellyaching you are doing over nothing, when you dont have the details to see if its signifiant or not.

 

[dbair1967]

Lets say we have Average Player A with guaranteed money in 2012 and 2013. Lets say low round draft pick or UDFA Player B at same position comes into camp, and for all intents and purposes, outplays Average Player A.

This team will stick with Player A because of the guaranteed money.

That is a problem.

I assume you are talking about people like Bernadeau or Livings, and their deals were clearly structured where if they were released (even after this years camp) it wouldnt have much impact on the cap.

Plus after June 1st, the cap impact this year is nil if they are released.

 

[superpunk]

whatevs your mind is made up

 

[Midswat]

I win.

 

[dbair1967]

Niners gaywagon is calling your name Mid & Sheik. It'l be perfect for you two.

 

[Midswat]

 

[Hoofbite]

You trolls do realize several of these contracts are set up a certain way (like Carr's) to have future cap flexibility.

Oh wait, look who I am talking to. No, you dont know.

Tells us how having more money guaranteed, and thus more potential dead money if a player were to be cut, gives the team more flexibility?

Lets see......guarantee more down the line to an extent that forces the team to keep him = more flexibility. Sounds about right.

 

[Hoofbite]

How unreasonable I am for championing fiscal responsibility!!!

Newsflash!!!!! Starting the off season 20 million over the cap and having to rely on restructures is an issue.

Does this mean dbair is a liberal at heart when it comes to the salary cap?

 

[ZeroClub]

I dont know you can say he has been cheap with it. He paid Leonard Davis, Andre Gurode, Flozelle Adams, Colombo and Kosier quite well when they were here.

And they were pretty good for a while there. In fact, they were darn good in 2007.

Unfortunately, Davis and Adams were allowed to hang around too long. Columbo got too beat up, then left. Gurode was let go at least a year too early (with no credible replacement in place). On balance, Kosier was an excellent acquisition.

Also, Garrett says they intend to add competition to the OL positions, so until we see what that means its kinda premature to complain IMO.

With all due respect, the last couple of years DID happen.

I will give you this:

It is theoretically possible that Jerry and Garrett will suddenly start to pull all of the right strings and assemble a fine OL by discovering hidden gems overlooked by the rest of the league.

True enough. It is theoretically possible.