We're not "negative fans."

[MrB]

Ok. Great that we agree on Jerry then. But if we agree on the Jerry, then why the comment about us being so negative? I mean, you don't like him either so why the critique? And what do I care how much of a marketing guru my team's owner is? I mean, is that even a point of discussion with some friends at a watering hole?

My buddy who's a Pats fan to me at a bar: "Hey, my Pats won the SB last year. They've had quite a run the past decade or so."

Me: "Yeah, but is Kraft a marketing genius? Well, Jerry is.....the best in the NFL at marketing his team and making money...can Kraft say the same?" (dead silence ensues....) I thought so."

Yea it doesn't quite go down like that. At least not the conversations I've had. Someone made a comment about marketing and it sparked a conversation. Another reason we're talking about it is because it's a slow time of year. What else team related are we going to talk about? At least until the Combine starts.

As for being negative I'm just calling it like I see it. I'm on a couple other boards and for the most part they feel everyone here about Jerry, it just comes across different. There are people here saying they're not really fans anymore and others saying how they won't pass their fandom down to their kids. That's pretty negative in my book. Just saying though. I will say this though, at least you guys are actively posting and responding. I've been in other boards that were completely dead.

 

[Scot]

What blows me away is the blind optimism for the team and the undying support for both Garret and Jerruh

Even after 20 years of mediocrity they still believe that Jerry walks on water and Garret is really building something here and is simply just misunderstood

I don't understand where it all comes from

With all the facts stacked against them they still believe in both of them. The history and years of mediocrity mean nothing to these type of fans

 

[onlyonenow]

to be blunt I could care less about marketing. I want a top product on the field and in that respect JJ is a complete or virtually a complete failure

 

[Midswat]

to be blunt I could care less about marketing. I want a top product on the field and in that respect JJ is a complete or virtually a complete failure

Only thing burmfraid ever posted that I've agreed with.

 

[Dodger12]

As for being negative I'm just calling it like I see it. I'm on a couple other boards and for the most part they feel everyone here about Jerry, it just comes across different.

Probably because those boards are more heavily moderated and, in many cases, overly moderated where it's obvious the staff leans a certain way. Certainly there are more people here who despise Jerry but that's because there's more freedom to express yourself here plus they've probably been banned for their views on other forums.

There are people here saying they're not really fans anymore and others saying how they won't pass their fandom down to their kids. That's pretty negative in my book. Just saying though.

I'm almost 50. This year was the first year in a long time (since I can remember) I didn't tune in to watch a game. I just didn't even care enough to check the score on NFL.com. That's never happened before but I just can't stand watching Jerry or Garrett ruin this franchise any longer. I just can't stand to watch the putrid product they put on the field. And I especially can't stand idiots who make excuses for them week in and week out. It disgusts me.

The sad part is that I look forward to football Sundays. I take my kids, hit a sports bar, grab a few wings and spend the afternoon with them. But I just decided at some point that I'd rather count the blades of grass in my back yard than to tune in to that abortion and watch the fucktard redhead clap his way through another disgraceful performance. I didn't feel this way during the 1 and 15 season and I didn't feel this way for 3 straight 5 and 11 seasons. But I do now. If that makes me a bad fan, so be it. Jerry can't meet his maker soon enough.

 

[MrB]

to be blunt I could care less about marketing. I want a top product on the field and in that respect JJ is a complete or virtually a complete failure

I agree 100%

 

[bbgun]

I'm almost 50. This year was the first year in a long time (since I can remember) I didn't tune in to watch a game. I just didn't even care enough to check the score on NFL.com. That's never happened before but I just can't stand watching Jerry or Garrett ruin this franchise any longer. I just can't stand to watch the putrid product they put on the field. And I especially can't stand idiots who make excuses for them week in and week out. It disgusts me.

you still would have boycotted games had Romo and Dez been healthy?

 

[ThoughtExperiment]

you still would have boycotted games had Romo and Dez been healthy?

Not speaking for Dodger, of course, but his post struck a chord with me. And for me it's not a boycott -- as if that would possibly register with anyone, especially Jerry. It's apathy. I just have a hard time caring anymore.

And while it's all ultimately on Jerry, I'm not in the camp that nothing could or would possibly be any better with a different coach. if Jerry brought in someone who knew what he was doing, especially is he had a history of some success in the league, I'd perk up again. But the club is so stale and stagnant right now I can barely care.

 

[yimyammer]

to be blunt I could care less about marketing. I want a top product on the field and in that respect JJ is a complete or virtually a complete failure

And it's far more important that marketing, win and win consistently and jerri can print even more money than he does now, it's the tide that lifts all boats

 

[yimyammer]

Not speaking for Dodger, of course, but his post struck a chord with me. And for me it's not a boycott -- as if that would possibly register with anyone, especially Jerry. It's apathy. I just have a hard time caring anymore.

And while it's all ultimately on Jerry, I'm not in the camp that nothing could or would possibly be any better with a different coach. if Jerry brought in someone who knew what he was doing, especially is he had a history of some success in the league, I'd perk up again. But the club is so stale and stagnant right now I can barely care.

I'm sure there's a coach somewhere that could excel under Jeri's lunacy but there ain't 500 of them and I have no confidence in Jeri's ability to find him, much less hire him if he did

 

[Dodger12]

you still would have boycotted games had Romo and Dez been healthy?

Negative. My frustration grew more out of the complete dysfunction I saw without Romo. All we heard is that Red was "building" something. Well, whatever he's built, they don't even look like an NFL team. Complete fucking ineptitude.

 

[Dodger12]

And while it's all ultimately on Jerry, I'm not in the camp that nothing could or would possibly be any better with a different coach. if Jerry brought in someone who knew what he was doing, especially is he had a history of some success in the league, I'd perk up again. But the club is so stale and stagnant right now I can barely care.

I'm with you on the new coach. There's just no way an NFL team should look that bad....Cleveland Browns bad. Can't throw downfield. Can't get a 1st down in short yardage situation. Can't punch it in from the red zone. Can't get a turnover. I mean.....just historically bad. That's a major issue with me under Garrett; it's that we've never seen this level ineptitude in ALL our years of watching Cowboys football. I've never seen a team lose when the probablility of losing is almost nill. It's downright pathetic and embarrassing.

 

[ThoughtExperiment]

^^ Yep.

And if you do blow it and lose, how about sacking up and just admitting it?

I've said it before and I'll say it again: A legend like Bill Parcells can say after a bad loss, "I'm embarrassed to put a team on the field that performs like that" but Garrett has to mealy mouth around about they're a really really good team, we're going back and watching the tape, we did a lot of things well, and we kept fighting, scratching, and clawing?

If I have to watch losses, please at least don't insult me by spouting another emotionless script of lame cliches about it.

But with Red that's all we'll get because he's afraid of anything cracking his carefully crafted facade. So sick of it.

 

[UVAwahoos]

^^ Yep.

And if you do blow it and lose, how about sacking up and just admitting it?

I've said it before and I'll say it again: A legend like Bill Parcells can say after a bad loss, "I'm embarrassed to put a team on the field that performs like that" but Garrett has to mealy mouth around about they're a really really good team, we're going back and watching the tape, we did a lot of things well, and we kept fighting, scratching, and clawing?

If I have to watch losses, please at least don't insult me by spouting another emotionless script of lame cliches about it.

But with Red that's all we'll get because he's afraid of anything cracking his carefully crafted facade. So sick of it.

I'm so over it but I can't blame Jerry entirely. I stopped watching during the Campo years for a lot of the same reasons as now but I loved when Parcells came in.

I think the Parcells years were exciting primarily because you knew the team would at least show up each week and compete. When mistakes were made, it was nice to know coaching would be corrected and players would be held accountable.

After about 2 years of Garrett not changing or improving, I started to lose interest again but Romo kept me attached. It's clear now to everyone that Garrett's time in the NFL is limited. At best maybe he'll land a QB coach job somewhere. Either way, it's a shame that he brought down so many potentially great careers during his sad tenure. Glad that Ware at least escaped. Romo and Witten should have been watching the super bowl celebration and thinking the same.

Kubiak and Wade had a brilliant gameplan and the players were coached to execute it flawlessly. That has not happened in Dallas for many years. Coaching wins games in this league.

 

[Omegasupreme]

I'm with you on the new coach. There's just no way an NFL team should look that bad....Cleveland Browns bad. Can't throw downfield. Can't get a 1st down in short yardage situation. Can't punch it in from the red zone. Can't get a turnover. I mean.....just historically bad. That's a major issue with me under Garrett; it's that we've never seen this level ineptitude in ALL our years of watching Cowboys football. I've never seen a team lose when the probablility of losing is almost nill. It's downright pathetic and embarrassing.

It's the primary lack of game management where this "O-line" whose primary talent is that they are equally power and finesse, road graders as well as lateral pull and smash, and yet somehow the team ends up on 3rd and long? Even when it was 3rd and 4, there were few signs that Dallas had any decoy, intent or option of running. The strength of the team right now should be it's running game but the coach has very little interest. Parcells used OJ Anderson to win a Super Bowl noting that Anderson was averaging 3.5ypc which averaged to be a first down after three carries. Jason makes these statements about "well when they come up to load the line to stop the run it opens things downfield" meaning "when it's obvious that we are going to run, they will try to stop us so I will use that an excuse to throw the ball even though when we throw the ball, it's obvious where everyone is running and Romo is at risk".

That's my 2015 bitterness in a nutshell.

 

[peplaw06]

Negative. My frustration grew more out of the complete dysfunction I saw without Romo. All we heard is that Red was "building" something. Well, whatever he's built, they don't even look like an NFL team. Complete fucking ineptitude.

2014 was an impressive house of cards.

 

[MrB]

^^ Yep.

And if you do blow it and lose, how about sacking up and just admitting it?

I've said it before and I'll say it again: A legend like Bill Parcells can say after a bad loss, "I'm embarrassed to put a team on the field that performs like that" but Garrett has to mealy mouth around about they're a really really good team, we're going back and watching the tape, we did a lot of things well, and we kept fighting, scratching, and clawing?

If I have to watch losses, please at least don't insult me by spouting another emotionless script of lame cliches about it.

But with Red that's all we'll get because he's afraid of anything cracking his carefully crafted facade. So sick of it.

Not only sacking up and admitting it but how about holding players accountable. Garrett never calls a player out when he has a bad game or makes a huge mistake (on or off the field). Like when Dez went off on Dalrymple. Players cannot be allowed to go off on coaches and team execs. I personally thought Dez should have been suspended a game for that. Then after the season we found out about how Hardy was missing meetings. They should have cut him at that point like they did Randle.

I watch a coach like Rick Carlisle for the Mavs and see how he won't hesitate to call a player out if they make a mistake or bench them if they're not playing well or if they're not playing hard on defense. I just wish the Cowboys could have a coach like that.

 

[Doomsday]

No other sports owner or sports CEO is ever called a "marketing genius." It's pretty much only Jerry and I believe it comes from, Jerry. Then it's been regurgitated soooo much and so long oft-repeated that I think few people really give it any thought. But when they do, invariably they stop saying it.

It's exactly like the "fight scratch claw" loser talk we get from Garrett. They can't talk about success on the scoreboard so they talk "moral victories" and "we fought we scratched we clawed" and "we never gave up out there." This "marketing genius" thing is just this same type of loser-talk crap, it's just been around a lot longer. It's become ingrained in the press, media, pundits and Sunday TV game callers. It's very similar to something out of Goebbels office. Keep saying that same shit loud enough and long enough, and people stop questioning it, start believing it, and it becomes a reality.

Well it's not a fucking reality. Jerry is NO "marketing genius" or a genius of any kind. He is a mostly unsuccessful oil and real estate guy who always wanted to own a sports team who finally got his shot, cobbling together enough of his daddy's wealth, borrowing, leveraging - to the point his credit cards were even maxed out and he couldn't even get a HOTEL ROOM in Dallas on Mia's Night - and put together enough money for the government to allow the sale. AND satisfied Bum Bright's requirement that whoever bought the team, immediately fired Landry - who Bright hated but couldn't afford to fire himself.

NONE of the above constitutes a genius, and nothing he has done since then does either. Just stop using that word for anything related to Jerry, and you'll get no objection.

Jed Clampett didn't know shit about oil. Jerry didn't know shit about sports marketing or any marketing at all for that matter. Now today, admittedly he does "know a thing or two" about it because he has been working with professionals in that field for nearly 30 years now. Not because he is any type of "genius."

 

[Doomsday]

There are people here saying they're not really fans anymore and others saying how they won't pass their fandom down to their kids. That's pretty negative in my book.

Yeah, they're not fans anymore. Therefore they can't be called "negative fans." There's no such thing as that.

You have essentially two types of fans in existence: One - The total homer idiot fan who to him/her, this is a religion and how dare you question it. And Two - the objective and intellectually honest fan who calls bullshit when bullshit is displayed. Number two is what number one calls a "negative fan."

Guys who say they're not fans anymore and won't pass this loserville, mediocre shit on to their kids? They said it - they're not fans. I take them at their word and got no problem with it.

 

[yimyammer]

No other sports owner or sports CEO is ever called a "marketing genius."

I don't think I've even heard of a "marketing genius" being described as a "marketing genius"

Genius of any kind will never be an apt description of jerri

incredible energy and work ethic with a huge tolerance for risk I'll accept.

"Marketing genius"?

never