Two teams have contacted ex-Titans coach Fisher about jobs (Cowboys?)

[Sheik]

Considering 2 or 3 other teams have offered Garrett HC jobs, I'd say you're wrong on half of it.

The GM part is true, but Jones isnt a real GM anyway and isnt making all the decisions a normal GM would. He just says he does.

Garrett was a hot commodity at one time. He's got more talent at the skilled positions than any other team in the league, yet his offense can't score points.

His decision making is some of the worst I've seen.

I understand rooting for the guy. I was a huge fan and bought into his hiring, too. I've seen enough to change my opinion.

Ive read other forums, I've read people that are trying to compare him to Don Shula and Tom Landry. All I can do is sit back and laugh.

I think that in 3 years, we'll all be in agreement that this coaching hire was a mistake, and we'll wonder what could have been with a proven coach that wasn't learning on the fly.

 

[dbair1967]

How cold is it in Narnia?

I have no idea, but what I said is true. He's a defacto GM, a guy with a title. He isnt making all the deicisons on his own.

 

[dbair1967]

lol @ people who write off turning a 15-33 team into a playoff team in one season with Quincy Carter as ur QB.

lol at people that think having a fluke season with one of the easiest schedules ever concocted is some sort of major accomplishment. Tthe fact that ended up his best season w/l wise is even more of a joke

helped with the front office...helped us acquire more talent...mediocre coach

 

[UVAwahoos]

Payton had success as a coordinator and he comes from a solid pedigree and he turned that team around immediately. I think they were in the playoffs his very first season. Tomlin is a puppet figure. The Rooney's have made it pretty clear that they go after yes-men who will acquiesce to their system. He's actually a really good coach IMO. I love his pressers too. He's a guy I could see a team wanting to rally around. McCarthy was def. a gamble hire. His stint in SF was just miserable, but it worked out almost immediately. Nobody was expecting much out of that '06 Packers team, and they finished strong without any major coaching blunders. He had them in the NFC championship the next season.

I think some coaches just have *it*...whatever that might be...and some just don't. Shouldn't take 3-4 years to determine whether they'll be good or not. This roster is stacked. Someone on here said we should be 11-1, and I kinda have to agree. I absolutely love our team. The coaching staff just blows giant monkey balls, and has blown those very balls for a few years now.

 

[dbair1967]

Garrett was a hot commodity at one time. He's got more talent at the skilled positions than any other team in the league, yet his offense can't score points.

His decision making is some of the worst I've seen.

I understand rooting for the guy. I was a huge fan and bought into his hiring, too. I've seen enough to change my opinion.

Ive read other forums, I've read people that are trying to compare him to Don Shula and Tom Landry. All I can do is sit back and laugh.

I think that in 3 years, we'll all be in agreement that this coaching hire was a mistake, and we'll wonder what could have been with a proven coach that wasn't learning on the fly.

I dont know how old you are, but I seriously doubt you are old enough to know anything about Shula and Landry's early career coaching results, or details of anything they did during that time.

 

[dbair1967]

Payton had success as a coordinator and he comes from a solid pedigree .

Payton was so good at it that his HC demoted him at one time.

 

[cmd34]

..and dbair is back to his protect Jerry and Jason at all costs normal self.

 

[Midswat]

lol @ people who write off turning a 15-33 team into a playoff team in one season with Quincy Carter as ur QB.

That 2003 season, our ten wins consistsed of beating teams with the following record:

12-4
11-5
6-10
6-10
5-11
5-11
5-11
4-12
4-12
4-12

And we weren't even competitive in the playoff game.

We then went 6-10 the following season, followed by two mediocre 9-7 seasons.


Bill Parcells had 4 years to shape this team in his image - in a parity driven league where worst to first stories happen regularly.



Now, mind you, I'm not discounting the impact Parcells had in Dallas. He changed the culture, and he got the ship going in the right direction. We're better off now than we would be without him, most likely.

But he was not a good coach.

 

[Sheik]

I dont know how old you are, but I seriously doubt you are old enough to know anything about Shula and Landry's early career coaching results, or details of anything they did during that time.

Im 28.

The funny thing about my generation is, we have the internet. It's not hard to research these types of things.

I don't dispute the fact that Garrett/Shula/Landry may have some similarities in how their careers started out, and maybe all 3 struggled early on, but that means nothing going forward.

Garrett isn't guaranteed success because of what happened in some other coaches career. A lot of coaches struggle early on, then they get fired.

 

[UVAwahoos]

I dont know how old you are, but I seriously doubt you are old enough to know anything about Shula and Landry's early career coaching results, or details of anything they did during that time.

Dude, Landry started out with some meager expansion club in 1960. This team has been pretty stacked since 2006, and times are just completely different now. People are paying thousands to attend these games and coaches are making millions. The results are required to be quicker. That's just the nature of things. Tomlin, McCarthy, and Payton were all able to achieve those results.

People asking to wait like 5-6 years in hopes for a repeat of Landry's 1966 season are just fooling themselves. Garrett was given to keys to a ferrari. Landry was given the keys to like a V-4 engine and told to make any kind of car possible out it. Garrett blows. I really hate to bitch out the same thing everyday, but I wake up in the morning and he's still our coach, so I have no choice.

 

[UVAwahoos]

That 2003 season, our ten wins consistsed of beating teams with the following record:

12-4
11-5
6-10
6-10
5-11
5-11
5-11
4-12
4-12
4-12

And we weren't even competitive in the playoff game.

We then went 6-10 the following season, followed by two mediocre 9-7 seasons.


Bill Parcells had 4 years to shape this team in his image - in a parity driven league where worst to first stories happen regularly.



Now, mind you, I'm not discounting the impact Parcells had in Dallas. He changed the culture, and he got the ship going in the right direction. We're better off now than we would be without him, most likely.

But he was not a good coach.

I guess it just depends on what you define as a good coach. He brought what I consider an excellent staff here. Payton actually went on to have tons of success elsewhere, and people are begging to get Sparano back. He left the team in a position to go 13-3 in 2007. He had us in the playoffs in 2006, and we were primed for a win at one of the toughest road stadiums in the league. People bitch about his conservative gameplan, but he had essentially a rookie QB on the road in his first ever playoff game, and he called a game where we were set up to win at the end. Romo didn't execute on that snap, but I can't really put that on Parcells.

I can't imagine how fucked this franchise would be without him. Jerry was bitching that we gave up on Bledsoe too soon when he was benched for Romo at halftime of that Giant's game. We'd probably be watching Blaine Gabbert out there right now.

 

[Midswat]

I guess it just depends on what you define as a good coach.

Someone who can get the job done.

Parcells was given four years, an open checkbook, and tens of millions from the owner. He couldn't get it done.

I mean, for fucks sake, he's the same guy who would line his defense in a base 3-4 when other teams spread us out, and his response was "We don't let an offense dictate how we play defense."

What. The. Fuck?

If we hired anyone not named Bill Parcells in 2003, and they got the same results, they'd be lauded as a failure.

But because of his reputation, everyone claims he was some savior to the franchise who we couldn't have lived without.

Simply not true.

 

[dbair1967]

..and dbair is back to his protect Jerry and Jason at all costs normal self.

I'm not protecting them at all. Jones isnt a real GM.

Garrett isnt an awful coach, but he did make an awful mistake.

 

[dbair1967]

Im 28.

The funny thing about my generation is, we have the internet. It's not hard to research these types of things.

I don't dispute the fact that Garrett/Shula/Landry may have some similarities in how their careers started out, and maybe all 3 struggled early on, but that means nothing going forward.

Garrett isn't guaranteed success because of what happened in some other coaches career. A lot of coaches struggle early on, then they get fired.

I never said he was. He might end up being a total failure here.

But nobody on this forum I know of was alive and kicking and paying attention to guys like Landry and Shula or knowing what mistakes/gaffes they made during their careers, especially during the early parts of their careers. Just reading through some internet bio doesnt tell you stuff like this.

 

[Sheik]

I never said he was. He might end up being a total failure here.

But nobody on this forum I know of was alive and kicking and paying attention to guys like Landry and Shula or knowing what mistakes/gaffes they made during their careers, especially during the early parts of their careers. Just reading through some internet bio doesnt tell you stuff like this.

I think it's irrelevant. Which was my point to begin with.

 

[UVAwahoos]

Completely different situations and way too many knowledgeable coaches out there to waste time on ones who have repetitively shown lack of competence.

 

[carphalen5150]

I've never seen Payton pee his pants and forget to call a TO at the end of the game.

 

[Cr122]

I've never seen Payton pee his pants and forget to call a TO at the end of the game.

I wish Payton was our head coach, but Parcells was still around. Just imagine how that scenario would of played out.

 

[peplaw06]

Those guys all have proven the job is not too big for them. McCarthy and Payton were longtime OCs...and while Tomlin really wasn't, he knew enough to get out of LeBeau's way and let him run the defense...which is what Garrett should do on the offensive side.

Only after having the job. The point is they weren't proven quality HCs before they started. There's no tried and true way to get a winning HC. If it was easy to find, you wouldn't have the firings we see every single year. There's something to be said for getting a proven guy, just like there's some intrigue in finding a young upstart who's hungry. Both ways have proven to be successful if you get the right guy. That's the key, is just finding the right guy.

McCarthy started out 4-8 as a head coach. Was hardly lighting the world on fire. He finished up 8-8 and kept his job and the next year they were 13-3.

I know the guy just made one of the worst clock managing blunders of all time, but I think it's better to be patient with HCs. Not everyone can be Jim Harbaugh... I don't even think Jim Harbaugh will be Jim Harbaugh for long.

It's not popular to defend Garrett right now, and I'm not even really doing that. But the guy has gone 12-8 as the HC.

 

[carphalen5150]

Only after having the job. The point is they weren't proven quality HCs before they started. There's no tried and true way to get a winning HC. If it was easy to find, you wouldn't have the firings we see every single year. There's something to be said for getting a proven guy, just like there's some intrigue in finding a young upstart who's hungry. Both ways have proven to be successful if you get the right guy. That's the key, is just finding the right guy.

McCarthy started out 4-8 as a head coach. Was hardly lighting the world on fire. He finished up 8-8 and kept his job and the next year they were 13-3.

I know the guy just made one of the worst clock managing blunders of all time, but I think it's better to be patient with HCs. Not everyone can be Jim Harbaugh... I don't even think Jim Harbaugh will be Jim Harbaugh for long.

It's not popular to defend Garrett right now, and I'm not even really doing that. But the guy has gone 12-8 as the HC.

Garrett is not strong enough to be a head coach. If the media says he is passing too much, he overcompensates and runs too much...or vice versa. He allows the media to completely shape what he does. The 24 hour rule that he instituted? WTF...that is some weak ass shit...he could have simply said he did not want to talk about it anymore instead of coming up with some lame ass rule.

The clock thing though is huge...I mean anyone that watches any kind of football knows to call a TO there. Hell, a 10 year old kid playing Madden would know that.

I don't question Garrett or his football knowledge...I question his ability to lead.