Trayvon Martin shooting: Zimmerman says Trayvon decked him, then began hammering him

[Midswat]

Also... it seems to me like the prosecution is trying to discredit their own witness.

:confused


Prosecution calls a witness. Witness doesn't help his case. Prosecution is questioning who is following her on twitter and who she's facebook friends to discredit her.




This thing is sureal.


What the fuck does the prosecution have on George Zimmerman?

 

[superpunk]

Cool adrenaline so he was in no pain then.

Life in danger
Head bouncing off of concrete
Pulls gun and fires accurately
Remembers every single detail
Life In danger
No concussion
Life in danger
Still able to "think and react"


Yay owners

at this point I'm pretty sure Zimmerman went Liar Liar/fight club on himself after he shot Trayvon. Gotta make it look like self defense.

 

[JBond]

Cool adrenaline so he was in no pain then.

Life in danger
Head bouncing off of concrete
Pulls gun and fires accurately
Remembers every single detail
Life In danger
No concussion
Life in danger
Still able to "think and react"


Yay owners

Same question for you. You would refuse to defend yourself if attacked? I am really having trouble following some of the crazy reasoning in this thread. Why would you not defend yourself?

 

[2233boys]

So if I attack you, sit on top of you and slap your head against the pavement, you are cool with it? Very interesting. I wonder if all liberals would rather be beat to death instead of defending themselves.

Any punk that jumps me is going home in a body bag. This is not tough guy talk, it is the simple reality of the situation. Why anyone would just take a beating and risk their life because of some asinine bleeding heart philosophy is beyond me.

It sounds like tough guy talk. I'm not saying don't defend yourself, but did he have to kill him? Did he use more force than necessary to get out of the situation? I think those are legitimate questions.

 

[JBond]

whatever you say man.

Hey pep. It seems like you have decided to side with the Trayvon folks for some reason. Is there something that stands out to you that is pushing you in that direction. Most of the Trayvon folks main argument centers around the fact that a 17 year old was shot and someone must pay regardless of the facts. What facts do you see that points to Zimmerman being a crazed killer rather than someone defending himself during an attack?

The prosecutions "star witness" ended up being a barely functioning child that lied repeatedly and has been completely discredited. I am guessing the next strongest piece of evidence they have is where Trayvon was shot. It appears from the map to be about half a block from the Zimmerman car. What are your thoughts?

 

[marionbarberthe4th]

No I would not assume my Life is danger after a broken nose.

 

[Midswat]

No I would not assume my Life is danger after a broken nose.

Of course you wouldn't. We've already established that once you take a shot in the face you black out.

 

[peplaw06]

So if I attack you, sit on top of you and slap your head against the pavement, you are cool with it? Very interesting. I wonder if all liberals would rather be beat to death instead of defending themselves.

Any punk that jumps me is going home in a body bag. This is not tough guy talk, it is the simple reality of the situation. Why anyone would just take a beating and risk their life because of some asinine bleeding heart philosophy is beyond me.

I know that this is your tactic, and is often the tactic in all those political bullshit threads...

But NO ONE is saying we would be cool with you "sitting on top of us and slapping our head against the pavement."

You can take that strawman and shove it up your ass.

Same question for you. You would refuse to defend yourself if attacked? I am really having trouble following some of the crazy reasoning in this thread. Why would you not defend yourself?

Again, NO ONE is saying you can't defend yourself if attacked. You're having trouble following it because no one is saying it.

 

[2233boys]

He has posted his thoughts several times throughout the last couple of pages.

As an aside, your opinion of the views of those who may disagree with the Zimmerman is innocent argument is simplistic at best.

 

[marionbarberthe4th]

Of course you wouldn't. We've already established that once you take a shot in the face you black out.

nice one boss

 

[Midswat]

Commentators are speculating that Trayvon's history in school could be entered during the defense phase of the trial?

Seems fair considering the prosecution brought up Zimmermans restraining order.

 

[peplaw06]

Hey pep. It seems like you have decided to side with the Trayvon folks for some reason. Is there something that stands out to you that is pushing you in that direction. Most of the Trayvon folks main argument centers around the fact that a 17 year old was shot and someone must pay regardless of the facts. What facts do you see that points to Zimmerman being a crazed killer rather than someone defending himself during an attack?

The prosecutions "star witness" ended up being a barely functioning child that lied repeatedly and has been completely discredited. I am guessing the next strongest piece of evidence they have is where Trayvon was shot. It appears from the map to be about half a block from the Zimmerman car. What are your thoughts?

I don't believe Zimmerman's story at all. At least not what I've heard of it. He has yet to testify, and I haven't heard all of the testimony beginning yesterday afternoon and into today. But from what I have heard I don't believe him.

I think he was an overzealous wanna be cop and created a dangerous situation that ended up with a teenager getting killed. He's an adult, Trayvon was not. Trayvon didn't deserve to be killed. He deserves to serve time for that.

People think self-defense is some type of fail safe... He killed someone. He shouldn't get to say olly olly umphrey, self defense cause he got punched in the nose.

 

[JBond]

It sounds like tough guy talk. I'm not saying don't defend yourself, but did he have to kill him? Did he use more force than necessary to get out of the situation? I think those are legitimate questions.

I have been mugged and I have had people break in while my family was home. My perspective may be different than yours. I have had my CC for quite a while and shoot at least twice a week. I have taken several classes beyond the basics in order to become very proficient. Yes, if someone attacked me I would be the one walking away. Life experiences help shape our perspectives.

I tend to give the benefit of the doubt to the shooter in this case especially after learning about the real Trayvon, but I have not made my mind up 100% one way or the other because I am not privy to all the facts. I have to trust the judicial system will get it right. There are some troubling aspects that have not been addressed yet in the trial.

What I do not understand is the whole Trayvon is innocent of anything without knowing what happened. Maybe Zimmerman is a crazed killer looking to hunt down children and kill them. None of knows for sure, but the facts that I have read about so far do not point in that direction in my opinion.

 

[superpunk]

I have been mugged and I have had people break in while my family was home. My perspective may be different than yours. I have had my CC for quite a while and shoot at least twice a week. I have taken several classes beyond the basics in order to become very proficient. Yes, if someone attacked me I would be the one walking away. Life experiences help shape our perspectives.

I tend to give the benefit of the doubt to the shooter in this case especially after learning about the real Trayvon, but I have not made my mind up 100% one way or the other because I am not privy to all the facts. I have to trust the judicial system will get it right. There are some troubling aspects that have not been addressed yet in the trial.

What I do not understand is the whole Trayvon is innocent of anything without knowing what happened. Maybe Zimmerman is a crazed killer looking to hunt down children and kill them. None of knows for sure, but the facts that I have read about so far do not point in that direction in my opinion.

:hostile

 

[Midswat]

Look at the tits on this witness.

She fine.

 

[NoDak]

We are lead to believe he was in fear for his life. A bleeding wound doesn't equal a reasonable reason to kill someone. JMO.

Wounds. As in, plural. And the wounds in and of themselves don't, no. But the action in which how those wounds were received can. And that's what's being decided in this court case. Regardless of how much speculation and guessing BS is going on in this thread.

 

[iceberg]

He has posted his thoughts several times throughout the last couple of pages.

As an aside, your opinion of the views of those who may disagree with the Zimmerman is innocent argument is simplistic at best.

yea - posts like the one below this are the ones that are so hard to refute:

Life in danger
Head bouncing off of concrete
Pulls gun and fires accurately
Remembers every single detail
Life In danger
No concussion
Life in danger
Still able to "think and react"

 

[Midswat]

I'm liable to believe whatever the fuck her and her tits say.

She say Zim guilty, I'll agree.

huminahuminahumina

 

[JBond]

I don't believe Zimmerman's story at all. At least not what I've heard of it. He has yet to testify, and I haven't heard all of the testimony beginning yesterday afternoon and into today. But from what I have heard I don't believe him.

I think he was an overzealous wanna be cop and created a dangerous situation that ended up with a teenager getting killed. He's an adult, Trayvon was not. Trayvon didn't deserve to be killed. He deserves to serve time for that.

People think self-defense is some type of fail safe... He killed someone. He shouldn't get to say olly olly umphrey, self defense cause he got punched in the nose.

Thanks. What type of law do you practice? I thought someone said you are a lawyer.

Does the fact that the star witness is a liar trouble you? Is there anything that would cause you to change your mind? How exactly does a court determine if a life is in jeopardy and if deadly force was justified? If there are no eyewitnesses to the entire event, doesn't that make it relatively hard to get a conviction? The shooter has wounds consistent with his version of events. We know Trayvon was not a very good person who enjoyed attacking people. Couldn't it be plausible that he finally attacked the wrong person?

 

[Midswat]

I mean, she kind of has the face of that indian guy on Predator... but those tittays.