Trayvon Martin shooting: Zimmerman says Trayvon decked him, then began hammering him

[marionbarberthe4th]

It is entirely possible to be taking shots to the head and still be able to function, both physically and mentally. It's not that hard to understand, really.

How could somebody take repeated shots to the skull from a guy like George Foreman and still continue on round after round? The way some are carrying on, after the first overhand right landed, a coma would follow.

I've been in numerous fights in the past where I'd been punched/kicked in the head, or hit with things like beer bottles. And was still able to continue fighting. Adrenaline is an amazingly powerful thing. Just because Zimmerman was taking shots to his head hard enough to cause a bleeding wound wouldn't automatically render him unable to think or react.

Cool adrenaline so he was in no pain then.

Life in danger
Head bouncing off of concrete
Pulls gun and fires accurately
Remembers every single detail
Life In danger
No concussion
Life in danger
Still able to "think and react"


Yay owners

 

[peplaw06]

I am not sure this can happen, but can the prosecution claim that the injuries that occurred weren't significant enough to claim self defense? I really have no doubt he was scared, but he overreacted. I also believe that his actions directly lead to the incident and had he just reported it and stayed in his car, this tragedy never happens.

The prosecution will combat a self-defense theory by saying that Zimmerman's actions led to the incident, and that he used unreasonable force to defend himself. That's a fancier way of saying he overreacted and used more force than necessary to defend himself.

 

[peplaw06]

I pretty sure self defense without first contact is acceptable when trapped with no choice of retreat. Once contact is made, just about any contact, you are able o claim self defense. As soon as you lay your hand on a person, they have the right of self defense.

Not true. You are only entitled to use reasonable force to defend yourself. And you cannot claim self-defense if you are the instigator.

 

[MetalHead]

Not true. You are only entitled to use reasonable force to defend yourself. And you cannot claim self-defense if you are the instigator.

Really?
So physical contact is justified?
So a man following another is grounds for assault and battery?

 

[Midswat]

Cool adrenaline so he was in no pain then.

Life in danger
Head bouncing off of concrete
Pulls gun and fires accurately
Remembers every single detail
Life In danger
No concussion
Life in danger
Still able to "think and react"


Yay owners

You want so bad for this to be a race thing and for Zimmerman to be found guilty that you're proving incapable of viewing this case objectively.

You're resorted to arguing as to whether or not a man who sustained facial fractures and head gashes in an on-going assault in a completely vulnerable and submissive position had reason to fear for his life.

Everyone responds differently, but I know when I was involved in fights, I could remember details, and feel pain, while having a heightened sense of adrenaline.

Just because you black out piss your pants and can't recall anything once someone punches you in the face doesn't mean everyone else does.

 

[Jon88]

 

[Midswat]

Replaying one of the 911 calls where you can hear the cries for help in the background.

Intense.

 

[Jon88]

Replaying one of the 911 calls where you can hear the cries for help in the background.

Intense.

Do you think it's Zimmerman?

 

[peplaw06]

Really?

yes.

So physical contact is justified?

if it's reasonable given the situation.

So a man following another is grounds for assault and battery?

if it's reasonable given the situation.

 

[marionbarberthe4th]

Whatever you say boss

 

[Midswat]

Do you think it's Zimmerman?

I've never heard Trayvons voice, so I have no idea.

But considering the screams for help were before the gunshot, then it seems likely considering how jacked up Zimmerman was from the assault.

 

[peplaw06]

Witness yesterday said the screams for help sounded like they were from a boy.

 

[Midswat]

Well... there wasn't a boy involved in the incident. Two men were, though.

The younger man towered over the older man, oddly enough.

 

[peplaw06]

whatever you say man.

 

[2233boys]

It is entirely possible to be taking shots to the head and still be able to function, both physically and mentally. It's not that hard to understand, really.

How could somebody take repeated shots to the skull from a guy like George Foreman and still continue on round after round? The way some are carrying on, after the first overhand right landed, a coma would follow.

I've been in numerous fights in the past where I'd been punched/kicked in the head, or hit with things like beer bottles. And was still able to continue fighting. Adrenaline is an amazingly powerful thing. Just because Zimmerman was taking shots to his head hard enough to cause a bleeding wound wouldn't automatically render him unable to think or react.

We are lead to believe he was in fear for his life. A bleeding wound doesn't equal a reasonable reason to kill someone. JMO.

 

[NoDak]

Cool adrenaline so he was in no pain then.

Life in danger
Head bouncing off of concrete
Pulls gun and fires accurately
Remembers every single detail
Life In danger
No concussion
Life in danger
Still able to "think and react"


Yay owners

I don't recall saying he was in no pain. Or whether or not he received a concussion. Or anything about remembering "every" detail. Or pretty much anything you mentioned here. Only that being struck in the head doesn't automatically render somebody incapable of doing anything.

Troll attempt... FAIL.

 

[Midswat]

Ugh. Have to stop watching because feed keeps buffering every three seconds.

 

[Midswat]

Witness yesterday said the screams for help sounded like they were from a boy.

Vanessa Perez
‏@Ca11MeMaeby 1m In all fairness, and I personally know GZ from middle school, #zimmerman sounds like a little boy. His voice isn't deep AT ALL.

 

[JBond]

We are lead to believe he was in fear for his life. A bleeding wound doesn't equal a reasonable reason to kill someone. JMO.

So if I attack you, sit on top of you and slap your head against the pavement, you are cool with it? Very interesting. I wonder if all liberals would rather be beat to death instead of defending themselves.

Any punk that jumps me is going home in a body bag. This is not tough guy talk, it is the simple reality of the situation. Why anyone would just take a beating and risk their life because of some asinine bleeding heart philosophy is beyond me.

 

[Midswat]

The prosecution has moved away from, "Zimmerman aggressively pursued Trayvon and put himself in a bad position" to "we don't really know who had dominant position, do we?"

We don't know = reasonable doubt.