Trayvon Martin shooting: Zimmerman says Trayvon decked him, then began hammering him

[Sheik]

Reality Administrator Years Donated 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 Joined: Apr 2004 Posts: 8,473 *** READ *** No more threads allowed on the Zimmerman case Do not post any more threads about the Zimmerman/Martin case on CowboysZone. The staff was not fond of allowing the threads in the first place, but we knew it was an important topic for a few users so we allowed it. Since most of the recent posts were directed at moderators in questioning our standard policies regarding the management of old threads and the discussions continued even after it was explained multiple times and no one seemed interested in discussing the case any more, the threads have been closed and/or removed. You are free to ask any moderator about thread closures, mergers, etc. via the private message system. Doing so publicly will not be in your best interests. #reality ______________ Also, the donation thread has been updated through may 15th 2012. Let's go, Zoners!!! ​

 

[bbgun]

"Because shut up!" As fascistic as ever over there.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

idk why they have that rule still when it's been broken a million times already?

 

[Jon88]

idk why they have that rule still when it's been broken a million times already?

Rules are made to be broken.


How I was raised

 

[Midswat]

lol @ Martin backers.

lol @ zonerules

 

[Jon88]

lol @ Martin backers.

lol @ zonerules

Trayvon is dead!!



Because he's a punk. Or should I say, was.

 

[peplaw06]

Interesting ruling considering what I assume the Zimmerman team's defense will be.

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/11/11660804-marissa-alexander-gets-20-years-for-firing-warning-shot-after-stand-your-ground-defense-fails?lite

Marissa Alexander gets 20 years for firing warning shot after Stand Your Ground defense fails
By Gil Aegerter, msnbc.com
May 20, 2012, 3:59 pm

Marissa Alexander, whose case brought allegations that Florida's Stand Your Ground law is being unfairly applied, was sentenced to 20 years in prison Friday after being convicted of three counts of aggravated assault after firing a warning shot during a dispute with her husband.

The case sparked a confrontation between a congresswoman and the prosecutor after the sentencing in Jacksonville, Fla., WJXT-TV reported.

Alexander, 31, claimed she fired a shot from a handgun into the wall to protect herself during a confrontation with her husband, who she said had abused her, WJXT reported. Two children were with him when she fired a shot in his direction, and she was charged with three counts of aggravated assault.

Her attorneys claimed self-defense and cited the state's Stand Your Ground law, which gives people some protection from prosecution for using potentially deadly force in cases in which they feel their life is threatened. The law came under nationwide scrutiny during the Trayvon Martin case, when neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman shot an unarmed teen and authorities waited weeks before charging him.

But a jury agreed with prosecutors that the law didn't apply because she left during the argument, got a gun and returned to confront him, WJXT reported.

Last week, State Attorney Angela Corey, who is also handling the Zimmerman case, said she personally met with Alexander and reviewed the evidence in the case, WJXT reported. She said she offered Alexander a three-year sentence before trial, despite the case qualifying for a 20-year minimum mandatory sentence.

The case has sparked rallies on Alexander's behalf, and WJXT described a heated scene outside the courtroom after the sentencing:

"Three years is not mercy and 20 years is not justice," U.S. Rep. Corrine Brown told Corey in an animated confrontation in the hallway. "If there ever was a stand-your-ground case, it was this one."

... She said she has been in contact with some of the best domestic violence attorneys in the country and will be involved in the appeals process.

"This is the beginning, not the end," Brown said of Alexander case. "Clearly there is institutional racism."

At issue in the case were Alexander's actions leading up to the firing of the shot.

Alexander has said that 36-year-old Rico Gray had physically abused her in a dispute on Aug. 1, 2010. She testified that she fled into a garage and got a gun, but was unable to leave the home because the garage door was stuck. She testified that she went back into the house, where Gray was with his two sons, and fired the shot.

But Corey argued that Stand Your Law did not apply because Alexander acted in anger. The judge agreed, saying that by returning to the house, she showed she was not in fear for her life.

Gray had been arrested twice on domestic battery allegations, but Alexander had been charged with domestic battery four months after the shooting, Jacksonville.com reported.

The 20-year sentence was a mandatory minimum under Florida's "10-20-Life law," which mandates sentences for crimes involving a firearm, the Grio.com reported.

After the hearing, Alexander's attorney, Kevin Cobbin, said the Stand Your Ground law isn't always applied fairly, NBC station WLTV reported.

"The law was made for people like Ms. Alexander," Cobbin said. "They did not make it for people running around on the streets shooting people. They made it for women in their homes trying to defended themselves against abusive mean men."

 

[peplaw06]

lol

Have you read some of the posts from people supporting 'your side'?

I've read most, if not all, of the posts in this thread. I'm not going to go back and read all thousand of them. If you have a specific post in mind, i'll be willing to look at it. But again, I don't answer for other people's "debate tactics." This is way more than one side vs. the other side. There are many issues at play in this case, from the media storm, to the racial side, to the actual legalities of it. I'm not a big fan of the media, and I wish this hadn't become a racially divisive issue. I'm more interested in the legal theories presented, and that's where 99% of my comments on this subject focus.

 

[peplaw06]

How on earth can the prosecutor maintain a Murder 2 charge in the face of obvious reasonable doubt? And it's at least reasonable doubt. When a far lefty like Alan Derschowitz bails on you, you know you're in trouble.

Prosecutors upcharge offenses all the time. It gives them bargaining position. In the article above Corey offered Alexander, the abused woman, 3 years knowing that when looking at 20, that might seem like a great deal.

And Dershowitz, while definitely a lefty, is a defense attorney. It's not surprising he falls on Zimmerman's side.

 

[peplaw06]

I'd like to buy peplaw and NoDak a steak. And superpunk. And Iamtdg. And mb4th.

Basically, I'd buy everyone in this thread a steak. Except for jiggyfly. That guy can go fuck himself.

I would like to eat a steak bought by you -- Woody'sGirl on Sheik's CZ show

 

[bbgun]

Prosecutors upcharge offenses all the time. It gives them bargaining position. In the article above Corey offered Alexander, the abused woman, 3 years knowing that when looking at 20, that might seem like a great deal.

Usually to get the defendant to cut a deal/cop a plea, but barring something unexpected, that ain't gonna happen here. The Z defense team knows the DA can't prove Murder II, so their best option is to stay put and wait/hope for acquittal. The fact that so many things favorable to the defense were inexplicably omitted from the affidavit is surely gonna piss off the judge.

And Dershowitz, while definitely a lefty, is a defense attorney. It's not surprising he falls on Zimmerman's side.

I don't see the lefty ACLU following his example.

 

[Iamtdg]

I don't see how any of this is a lefty/rightie thing. I am very conservative and I think Zimmerman is in the wrong.

 

[bbgun]

I don't see how any of this is a lefty/rightie thing. I am very conservative and I think Zimmerman is in the wrong.

It shouldn't be political, but the MSM and certain liberal interest groups tried to make this a race/guns/stand your ground/Koch brothers thing.

 

[Jon88]

It shouldn't be political, but the MSM and certain liberal interest groups tried to make this a race/guns/stand your ground/Koch brothers thing.

That's why I'll never watch CNN again. I guess they thought the facts would never come out.

 

[Iamtdg]

It shouldn't be political, but the MSM and certain liberal interest groups tried to make this a race/guns/stand your ground/Koch brothers thing.

Of course they did. Anything to further the ole political agenda, right?

GUNZ ARE TEH BAD!

 

[bbgun]

It never should have been more than a local issue. I mean, you had insane people like Spike Lee and Roseanne Barr sending vigilantes to his parents' house. What the hell did his parents do to deserve that?

 

[Jon88]

It never should have been more than a local issue. I mean, you had insane people like Spike Lee and Roseanne Barr sending vigilantes to his parents' house. What the hell did his parents do to deserve that?

Roseanne Barr is white trash and Spike Lee is a little ____.

 

[Iamtdg]

Roseanne Barr is white trash and Spike Lee is a little ____.

dick?

 

[Jon88]

dick?

It's up to you, amigo.

 

[Iamtdg]

If it's up to me, I do not choose dick.