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LOL

Yeah ok. You just happened to pull his name out of a hat. Totally random.

No. I used him on purpose. To show what a destructive force somebody at 160 pounds could be. Obviously, Martin is not like Duran. But he could still do some damage at that weight. I would think such a self proclaimed smart guy such as yourself could see that, instead of taking the ****** route.

And for a guy whining over the use of a lol smiley, you sure have been liberal with their use the last few days. What was your reasoning again...? Got nothing?
 
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I would not drag hoof in. He is one of the few that can converse without being an ass. What transpired during the trial that led you to your conclusions? Please be specific.
Seriously? You're complaining about me being an ass?
 
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No. I used him on purpose. To show what a destructive force somebody at 160 pounds could be. Obviously, Martin is not like Duran. But he could still do some damage at that weight.
If you're going to troll the thread by bringing up a boxing legend and comparing him to a 17 year old kid just because he happens to weigh the same, then don't get all indignant when I troll your stupid comparison in return.
I would think such a self proclaimed smart guy such as yourself could see that, instead of taking the ****** route.
When did I "proclaim" that I was a "smart guy?" That's right, I didn't. I won't stop you from proclaiming that, though. Thanks.

And for a guy whining over the use of a lol smiley, you sure have been liberal with their use the last few days. What was your reasoning again...? Got nothing?
Because you are making fucking stupid comparisons. I find it funny. I'm literally lol'ing.
 
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Almost 10 hours deliberation... I feel like that benefits the state, but if it goes much longer, the jury might be hung.
 
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To be fair, 9 1/2 of those hours were spent with the jurors negotiating with Obama and his people as they try and milk the government for all they can get if they turn in an unwarranted guilty verdict.
 

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Now why is he banned?

you're right. that was not on the original call. acting strange like he was on drugs, well that was said.

and proven. he did have THC in his system.

do i down him for this? no. i'm job hunting and jealous i can't smoke right now. but people smoke for their own reasons and you can't know those reasons w/o knowing the person.

THC is someone's system doesn't mean they were high at the time. If he was high at the time, you certainly wouldn't know it by looking at him from a distance.

zimmerman is an open book. martin, off limits.

i get pep's argument as to why and the hows of the legal system but that doesn't make it right. to put together a best case scenario from subjective evidence, you need it all. just because lawyers of the past have found ways to make precedence something to judge by as things go on - should it?

in this case we're stuck with it.

the way i see things is:

zimmerman was overzealous in his pursuit.
why? cause he's the head of neighborhood watch and a lot of crime has gone by unpunished, or even given a shit about.

trayvon was just a kid going home, likely stoned. tea and skittles? just as good as anything, i suppose. was he looking in houses and windows? dunno. to say yes or no is just a bullshit stance no one can prove.

Zimmerman was overzealous. He however was self-appointed captain and pretty much broke a number of Neighborhood Watch rules that nigh so I don't think he was representing NH watch at all.

And I agree about the looking into windows which is why I have been questioning why people keep saying. I think people WANT him to be looking into those windows. They need something to justify George's suspicion.

zimmerman didn't know him so he did call it in. he did do a bit more than just call it in. not a very good response on his part.

trayvon, when he saw he was being followed, confronted his follower.

at this point, i don't care what he did but i ask you - what is a "reasonable response" to being followed? did he in fact come back to ask zimmerman what was up?

if so, being scared is out the window.

what are martins choices at this point:

1. say he's staying with family down the street
2. go home cause he lost zimmerman
3. ask what's up?

he seemed to do #3. now - what is a "reasonable response" to that?

1. i'm staying at home w/family
2. get mad and start a fight

i'm not saying zimmerman made the best choices that night.

i *am* saying martin made some bad calls himself people are quick to forgive.

Nobody knows what calls Martin made. That's the thing, we only have 1 side of the story and anyone who's basing their opinion of Martin's actions on that version of the story is taking sides from the outset. Anyone who blatantly ignores the inconsistencies in that version of the story and in the other versions already has their mind made up.

Nobody knows what happened after George hung up. It wasn't walking back to his truck because theres far too much unaccounted-for time. You can't make a decision on what happened based on his shaky story.

And I have never been followed or chased by someone. I would imagine I would feel threatened but I dunno. Normal, functioning people don't fucking stalk others just because they can.

This is why I don't think what happened after the phone call is nearly as important as what happened before and during. Nobody knows what happened after the phone call but we have a pretty good account of what happened during the phone call. What did happen was a guy pegged a kid as a criminal and pursued him even though the dispatcher told him not to.
 
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SANFORD, Fla. (AP) — Jurors in the George Zimmerman trial have a question about the charge of manslaughter.

The jurors sent the judge a note asking for clarification on the charge after deliberating for about eight hours Saturday.

The six female jurors began deliberating Friday afternoon on whether Zimmerman committed a crime when he fatally shot Trayvon Martin.

Zimmerman is pleading not guilty to second-degree murder. He claims he shot the 17-year-old Martin in self-defense.

Jurors have the option of considering manslaughter.


Purely speculation, but I don't think they'd be asking about clarification on manslaughter unless they decided not guilty on murder 2.

So it looks like they either find him guilty of manslaughter, or he's not guilty.
 

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If you're going to troll the thread by bringing up a boxing legend and comparing him to a 17 year old kid just because he happens to weigh the same, then don't get all indignant when I troll your stupid comparison in return. When did I "proclaim" that I was a "smart guy?" That's right, I didn't. I won't stop you from proclaiming that, though. Thanks.

Because you are making fucking stupid comparisons. I find it funny. I'm literally lol'ing.

Always thought you were smarter than this.

Guess I was wrong.
 
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I don't know what they will do in Florida, but on these jury questions for clarification in Texas, the court almost never gives any real help. We usually end up with a first response like, "follow your instructions."

I agree that it likely means not guilty on murder 2. Someone brought up an interesting theory on HLN. It could be a stand-off between murder 2 and not guilty and they're making a compromise verdict on manslaughter.
 
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Always thought you were smarter than this.

Guess I was wrong.
You thought I was smarter than to follow you down the troll trail? Sometimes I do, sometimes I don't. I guess it depends on how smart I think the person I'm responding to is. I guess I thought you were smarter than MetalHead and JBond. Those guys troll away, and I generally let em go, cause they won't get it. Perhaps I should classify you with them.
 
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I don't know what they will do in Florida, but on these jury questions for clarification in Texas, the court almost never gives any real help. We usually end up with a first response like, "follow your instructions."
To expand on this...

In Texas we have pattern jury charges, and generally the Court just puts in the elements of the crime which the defendant is charged with and any definitions for any defense claims (i.e. self-defense). Then you have the jury follow a number of questions, like do you find the elements of murder 2 were met, yes or no... etc. If the Court doesn't follow the pattern jury charges, you can get the verdict overturned on appeal pretty easily. That's why they don't change the charge/instructions much when these jury questions come back. They may not have pattern jury charges in Florida, but my guess is they do.
 
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