The Anti-Christ speaks against the free market.

[Jon88]

I'm sure there will be some explanation for this one.

 

[peplaw06]

What cause you can't stop raping people?

 

[Jon88]

Because I'm paying anyone 50 sheckles and I'm as hell not marrying them.

 

[VTA]

Reason 103,576 why I stay away from Christianity and all other man made religions:

Deuteronomy 22:28-29

28 If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, 29 he shall pay her father fifty shekels[a] of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.

I'm sure there will be some explanation for this one.

You write that as though it were a bad thing. A Christian blathers out, 'God work'th in myth'terious way'th' and there's a complaint. A Chrisitan offers a reason and lo! Another complaint!

Yes there is an explanation, the first being the one I gave earlier, you can't link what God used to condition the Jews as a negative against Christianity. Christians aren't held to those practices. They served their purpose and we - Christian and Jews - should be beyond even thinking about rape, let alone doing it. Unfortunately, no system or ideology of man is making any head way toward abolishing the awful treatment of people against others either. It goes back to what God say's: mankind is inherintly inclined to do evil. His restrictions, our own imposed restrictions do not change that.

Second you should read the bible and not take snippets from atheists out of context to make a complaint. Your faith that they are dealing honestly with you is entirely misplaced. The text you pasted isn't the true verse and it doesn't state a rape. It lines up with Exodus 22:16, concerning the consensual seduction of a virgin and the consequences.

But don't have faith in me either, go read it:

If you read backwards from that dishonest starting point to verse 25-27, youll see what should happen in the case of rape:

25. But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die : 26 But unto the damsel thou shalt do nothing; there is in the damsel no sin worthy of death: for as when a man riseth against his neighbour, and slayeth him, even so is this matter: 27 For he found her in the field, and the betrothed damsel cried , and there was none to save her.

One reason out of millions to read the bible for yourself.

 

[Jon88]

I saw that coming a mile away.

 

[VTA]

Damned skippy, hippie.

And that's a perfect example of 'false teaching' too, only it's more obvious than someone claiming to be Christian.

 

[JBond]

Reason 103,576 why I stay away from Christianity and all other man made religions:

Deuteronomy 22:28-29

28 If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, 29 he shall pay her father fifty shekels[a] of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.

Jeebus H Xmas....What do you think we are, Muslims?

 

[peplaw06]

Because I'm paying anyone 50 sheckles and I'm as hell not marrying them.

Well don't rape em then.

 

[JBond]

Well don't rape em then.

Remember who you are talking to. He was trying to get some strange just before his out of wedlock child was born.

 

[Jon88]

Well don't rape em then.

I can't help myself sometimes.

 

[dbair1967]

Jon, I'm going to pray for you

 

[Jon88]

Go ahead and pray to your imaginary sun god if it makes you feel better.

 

[JBond]

Jon, that is not going to work.

 

[dbair1967]

Go ahead and pray to your imaginary sun god if it makes you feel better.

There's a sun God?

 

[Jon88]

Jon, that is not going to work.

It's how I feel. If you want to pass judgement on me, which is not Christian-like, I'll do the same.

 

[JBond]

It's how I feel. If you want to pass judgement on me, which is not Christian-like, I'll do the same.

I am not passing judgement on anyone. I can't. Only one can pass judgement. Can you define "Christian-like", so I can be sure what you are referring to?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Jon, I'm going to gay with you

ewww, dude

 

[junk]

I can't speak for anyone else, but I certainly don't get outraged over atheism and mocking. Jesus said if they hate me, they'll hate you. It doesn't bother me and I expect some sort of conflict. I don't care who doesn't believe, I'd rather they do, for their own benefit, because God's existence isn't predicated on who does or doesn't believe in Him, but I'm not outraged over it.

Again pointing out error is far from an attack and far from hypocritical. You're not used to it, because I'm sure you spend much less to no time in church and studying the bible than a Christian. Of course it's odd to you, but it's not hypocritical or wrong, you're just not aware of what a Christian is called to do.

Kudos. This isn't a stance I see often in these types of discussion. What would be your response if someone told you that your beliefs were un-biblical?

I'm not aware of any contradictions between Matthews Gospel and Paul's Epistles. In fact Matthew's is the most Jewish of Gospels and Paul spends a lot of time expounding on the meanings of the Levitical traditions. If Paul's exposition were pop culture he wouldn't have been beheaded. Pop culture means accepted by popular culture. Rome did nothing of the sort, until it became politically expedient 300 years later.

What about Matthew 5:17? Like I said, I'm far from a Biblical expert, but there is certainly debate among Christian sects on the interpretation of Levitical law and what the statements in the New Testament really mean about it

In Ezekial He makes it clear that the blood of the sinner is held to your account if you don't speak up. If you do and they ignore, it's on them. If you watch silently you're at fault as well. Now God knows we're all sinners, so His stance isn't well 'you're no better, so shut up'. it's 'help yourself by helping others'. Helping others and not allowing someone to be misled is not attacking them, but helping them.

I see. So really what you are saying here is that the Pope is taking this opportunity to help others? He feels that "socioeconomic system that leaves the poor with no means to support themselves is a grave sin." so he is speaking up about it, correct? He's not watching silently and helping himself by helping others. Isn't that one of the Christian tenets you have been espousing? Seems like you and the Pope are actually in agreement.

However, you and JBond are not:

Maybe the fraud that rules a cult riddled with pedophilia should be more concerned with his own house instead of judging others.

That seems to be in disagreement with your statement above where you indicate that "so His stance isn't well 'you're no better, so shut up'. It certainly seems like the Pope is trying to do the Christian thing, per your description, but he is being encouraged not to do so?

You also stated that:

It's more hateful to watch and stay silent than it is to open your mouth and at least give them your viewpoint to consider. Be it faith, vocation, economy whatever.

Again, seems like the Pope is doing a very Christian thing here, right? He's following your advice by giving his viewpoint to consider on the economy.

Yet, in doing so, he was labeled the Anti-Christ in this thread title. Seems a little hypocritical.....

 

[VTA]

Kudos. This isn't a stance I see often in these types of discussion. What would be your response if someone told you that your beliefs were un-biblical?

I'd ask them to point it out in scripture.

What about Matthew 5:17? Like I said, I'm far from a Biblical expert, but there is certainly debate among Christian sects on the interpretation of Levitical law and what the statements in the New Testament really mean about it

He came to fulfill the law, and so it is fulfilled. I'm not sure what you take that to mean, but I know the Levitcal rituals were to serve the purpose of atonement for sin. Jesus came to atone for all sins for all of mankind, fulfilling the law. If His work is finished, what purpose does continuing those practices with the pale sacrifice of an animal profit? Or the judging of sins He died to forgive? It would mean He failed to fulfill it if it had to be continued. Far from contradiction, Paul explains this to the Galatians (Chapter 3), who were sliding back into Judaic tradition. (I hope you are reading up on these things yourself).

The rest of this is too general to specifically answer.

I see. So really what you are saying here is that the Pope is taking this opportunity to help others? He feels that "socioeconomic system that leaves the poor with no means to support themselves is a grave sin." so he is speaking up about it, correct? He's not watching silently and helping himself by helping others. Isn't that one of the Christian tenets you have been espousing? Seems like you and the Pope are actually in agreement.

I'm not saying that at all. If the Pope and Catholicism in general were honest they would expound on God's word, and not appeal to the political/economic endeavors of men's systems. Trading one system for another doesn't bring justice and charity isn't enforced. He of all people should know this. Appealing to men's work shows a lack of faith.

And if his idea lines up with what Jesus said would be the mark of anti-Christ, I think it's safe to take Jesus at his word. anti-Christ doesn't come in the name of Satan claiming to want to destroy, he comes in the opposite mode, seducing people with great social ideals and appealing words.

However, you and JBond are not:

That seems to be in disagreement with your statement above where you indicate that "so His stance isn't well 'you're no better, so shut up'. It certainly seems like the Pope is trying to do the Christian thing, per your description, but he is being encouraged not to do so?

I can't answer for JBond.

You also stated that:


Again, seems like the Pope is doing a very Christian thing here, right? He's following your advice by giving his viewpoint to consider on the economy.

Yet, in doing so, he was labeled the Anti-Christ in this thread title. Seems a little hypocritical.....

I tend to think hypocrisy is more exemplified by the head of a grossly rich organization chiding others for being 'shamefully rich'. Amarite? Now go read some scripture.

 

[JBond]

Again, seems like the Pope is doing a very Christian thing here, right? He's following your advice by giving his viewpoint to consider on the economy.

Seriously? In your zeal to bash Christians you have gone completely astray. Please expound upon your thought. How is a one world government and a financial system ruled by those same people going to benefit anyone except those that are in charge? Do you really want some socialist leader from Kenya making all your decisions for you?

The Pope, a person the protects and shields his employees when they rape and molest children, a person that urges his followers to drink blood, a person that demands people worship idols and pray to the dead; this is the person you believe represents Christian ideas? Clearly you are being argumentative for the sake of arguing and have not really thought this through.

Do you understand the role of the Jesuits? Their primary purpose is to unify all religions under the banner of the Catholic church. They are such an extremist group that they were banned from the Catholic Church for the atrocities they committed only to be restored by a similar thinking Pope later. Do you understand how horrific the Catholic church has behaved throughout history? The repeated atrocities they have committed in the name of Jesus should shame every Catholic and make them seriously reconsider their commitment to such a group. The leader of this group is the very last person I would take advice from on anything.