Punish Law Abiding Citizens and Ignore Criminals. Great Plan. Fucking Idiots.

[iceberg]

I saw someone stated in this thread that you were allowed to hunt with semi automatic weapons. Not sure what the situations are in every state but in PA you aren't allowed to hunt with a semi automatic weapon. Also I read that the states that do allow the use of semi automatics limit the number of bullets in the magazine. (5 was the last I saw). Anyone know where you can find the regulations for all states? I'd be interested to see what the laws say.

As an aside, I think it is unconscionable to hunt with a semi automatic weapon. If you need more than one round you need to go back to shooting range and either sight your gun in better or practice. I consider hunting a sport and that takes the sport out of hunting. I used to skeet shoot and used a pump action 12 gauge. When I did hunt I used a single shot shotgun for small game and a 5 round bolt action 30-06 for deer. (No scope, pep sights)

I no longer hunt since I am a vegetarian but still think it is a necessary activity to support. Curious what the gun enthusiasts take is on the topic.

not sure on the limits, but if it's semi-auto, it's not necessarily about putting out bullets as fast as you can, but just letting the gun reload itself. do you want to make driving a car a "sport" and everything manual transmission, or just let it auto-do whatever it does?

 

[iceberg]

Not sure about your state. But in Florida, its a standard wait of atleast a week for criminal and background check to purchase any thing other than a shot gun or a single action rifle. assult rifles would be classified as anything semi-automatic that holds more than five rounds in the magazine and does not require you to manually chamber a round either by loading by hand, cocking or pumping. All pistols require a two week wait and a valid hand gun safety class permit. The only time people can get around these some what is at gun shows. But even then they have rapid background check systems and rapid checks for the hand gun class/permit. And most sniper rifles would be classed as anything with an effective range of over 1000 meters. An AR does not fall into this class because the reported max effective range is 600 meters. An AR does fall into the assualt class because it is semi auto, holds more than five rounds, and does not require a manual cocking action between shots with an effective range above 350 meters.

cool and good to know. you are right that texas makes it very easy to get guns. but there is no wait period for semi-automatic weapons. i mean, a ruger 10/22 22 rifle is semi-automatic, but is it dangerous?

it's also why i say i'm *for* a stronger background check and *for* education before buying. but i'm not into limiting things based on xyz factor that the media hypes up. i'd also say leave it up to the states, not the feds, to determine what they need for their state.

but in texas you can walk into a gun store and buy an AR-15 and they do the same check on you whether you were buying a pistol, or an AR-15.

 

[iceberg]

Oh, crap. It's ThaBigP of Spintopia fame. Everyone is about to get a lesson.

he's actually one of the last of the renegaderadio.net posters to sign up here to talk.

 

[2233boys]

not sure on the limits, but if it's semi-auto, it's not necessarily about putting out bullets as fast as you can, but just letting the gun reload itself. do you want to make driving a car a "sport" and everything manual transmission, or just let it auto-do whatever it does?

That really isn't an apples to apples comparison. Beyond that you didn't refute my point. Why would you care if you had to work a bolt to chamber another round unless you wanted to throw as many shots down range as you can? Your point doesn't make sense to me and if you use a semi automatic to hunt I question your hunting ethics. To be fair I have a lot of problems with other states hunting policies from using dogs, to baiting, etc.

 

[2233boys]

As an aside I prefer a manual transmission

 

[Sharkinva]

cool and good to know. you are right that texas makes it very easy to get guns. but there is no wait period for semi-automatic weapons. i mean, a ruger 10/22 22 rifle is semi-automatic, but is it dangerous?

it's also why i say i'm *for* a stronger background check and *for* education before buying. but i'm not into limiting things based on xyz factor that the media hypes up. i'd also say leave it up to the states, not the feds, to determine what they need for their state.

but in texas you can walk into a gun store and buy an AR-15 and they do the same check on you whether you were buying a pistol, or an AR-15.

As i stated, texas has some of the most relaxed gun laws I have ever seen. I grew up in DC. Lived there most of my life. The only thing legal is a shotgun un modified, or a 22 long rifle, bolt or pump action. Anything remotely classed as an assualt rifle or hand gun will get you ten years. Anything with an effective range over 350 meters will get you the same. Must protect the president after all.

Now if you ask, no I dont NEED my Barrett mark II .50 cal. But I bought it when I got out of the Corps, as it was specially built for me being a lefty and all. there are only five places locally where i can buy ammo, and only two within 30 miles where i can shoot it. But you can bet your moms last dollar if some one comes up dead from a .50 round from long range, my ass is on the short list of who to go see.

Gun control laws are getting out of control and will only get worse in my opinion.

 

[iceberg]

That really isn't an apples to apples comparison. Beyond that you didn't refute my point. Why would you care if you had to work a bolt to chamber another round unless you wanted to throw as many shots down range as you can? Your point doesn't make sense to me and if you use a semi automatic to hunt I question your hunting ethics. To be fair I have a lot of problems with other states hunting policies from using dogs, to baiting, etc.

guns are simply tools used to do a job. i'm left handed and it's a bitch to find a left handed bolt action rifle. i'm also the lazy american. if i can get the tool to load itself, go for it. i don't hunt at all and if i did, it would be with a semi-automatic weapon cause it's all i own. doesn't mean i'm gonna unload 30 rounds into an animal cause yea, after 1 shot, it's pretty much game over.

if you want to make hunting a pure "sport" then ban guns and go bow hunting. i've got a crossbow also. i just appreciate different types of "tools" to get something done. take the animal on one on one if you want to go "apples to apples".

i've never gone hunting, i just like the sport of guns and it took me getting over a personal childhood tragedy (not me, but in the family) to get over to get this far. i also watch "yukon men" on the history channel and love it. they hunt up there cause they need to eat and charlie uses an AR-15.

you wanna go tell him about his ethics? i've never seen him do the "extreme" unload on anything. he just fires and uses the tools he has to survive.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

he's actually one of the last of the renegaderadio.net posters to sign up here to talk.

Ah, I see. And he's already laying the smack down.

 

[iceberg]

As i stated, texas has some of the most relaxed gun laws I have ever seen. I grew up i DC. Lived there most of my life. The only thing legal is a shotgun un modified, or a 22 long rifle, bolt or pump action. Anything remotely classed as an assualt rifle or hand gun will get you ten years. Anything with an effective range over 350 meters will get you the same. Must protect the president after all.

Now if you ask, no I dont NEED my Barrett mark II .50 cal. But I bought it when I got out of the Corps, as it was specially built for me being a lefty and all. there are only five places locally where i can buy ammo, and only two within 30 miles where i can shoot it. But you can bet your moms last dollar if some one comes up dead from a .50 round from long range, my ass is on the short list of who to go see.

Gun control laws are getting out of control and will only get worse in mt opinion.

you're a lefty also??? SWEET!!!! i actually had a close friend that served in iraq (when i 1st got to know him through my renegade site and we sent music over to the soldiers) come over and he was watching me try to aim my shotgun and that's how i found out i'm left eye dominant.

made aiming a gun a lot easier.

i can see laws in certain areas but to do them in DC is to pretend i can't buy a gun to texas and drive to DC. kinda strange.

appreciate the civil convo man.

btw - how far will a springfield M1A fire a .308? would that be considered "sniper" - asking cause i just don't know the "true" definition.

 

[iceberg]

Ah, I see. And he's already laying the smack down.

let's just say he likes talking about the economy and guns.

he'll fit right in.

 

[Jon88]

What did those animals ever do to you, Iceberg?

 

[iceberg]

What did those animals ever do to you, Iceberg?

clue me in as to what the fuck you're talking about and i'll be glad to answer.

 

[Sharkinva]

Now if you really want to see something no one in their right minds needs to have in the general populace, check out the p-90


http://www.google.com/search?q=p90&...otos%2F21041719%40N04%2F2077908749%2F;259;500

 

[iceberg]

Now if you really want to see something no one in their right minds needs to have in the general populace, check out the p-90


http://www.google.com/search?q=p90&...otos%2F21041719%40N04%2F2077908749%2F;259;500

music hater.


as for the gun -
looks like a movie prop. but to be honest, not sure what it fires, is it "semi" and the like. making something "look" evil doesn't always make it that way to me. but i will go dig on this some more.

 

[2233boys]

I saw him fire a ton of shots into the wolverine. Most don't hunt as purely a means of survival and you don't need a semi automatic weapon to bring down game. Didn't you all say an AR15 is a 223 caliber essentially. (I don't know, thats why I'm asking) That isn't a very big caliber gun to bring down large game. I used to deer hunt with a 30-06 and when I was younger a 30-30. (30-06 one shot one kill). I agree a bow would make hunting more sporting but I also have issue with the suffering an animal can endure when shot with an arrow. They don't often due right away a gun is a cleaner more humane kill IMO.

 

[iceberg]

I saw him fire a ton of shots into the wolverine. Most don't hunt as purely a means of survival and you don't need a semi automatic weapon to bring down game. Didn't you all say an AR15 is a 223 caliber essentially. (I don't know, thats why I'm asking) That isn't a very big caliber gun to bring down large game. I used to deer hunt with a 30-06 and when I was younger a 30-30. (30-06 one shot one kill). I agree a bow would make hunting more sporting but I also have issue with the suffering an animal can endure when shot with an arrow. They don't often due right away a gun is a cleaner more humane kill IMO.

the AR can be .223 OR .308.

if they're hunting, i'd wager .308.

charlie is a trapper - he's NOT going to fire a ton of shots into an animal he needs to sell the fur from. they bang it over the head to get it to stop moving and put a single shot into it's head.

 

[Sharkinva]

you're a lefty also??? SWEET!!!! i actually had a close friend that served in iraq (when i 1st got to know him through my renegade site and we sent music over to the soldiers) come over and he was watching me try to aim my shotgun and that's how i found out i'm left eye dominant.

made aiming a gun a lot easier.

i can see laws in certain areas but to do them in DC is to pretend i can't buy a gun to texas and drive to DC. kinda strange.

appreciate the civil convo man.

btw - how far will a springfield M1A fire a .308? would that be considered "sniper" - asking cause i just don't know the "true" definition.

reported as 1000 YARDS, so by that definition no its not a "sniper rifle" since the legal definition in most states uses meters. But if it holds over five shots as a semi auto, you might be skating the assualt rifle term depending on the state I would think. In texas, thats a hog huntin gun though.

 

[2233boys]

the AR can be .223 OR .308.

if they're hunting, i'd wager .308.

charlie is a trapper - he's NOT going to fire a ton of shots into an animal he needs to sell the fur from. they bang it over the head to get it to stop moving and put a single shot into it's head.

he did it to the wolverine

 

[iceberg]

reported as 1000 YARDS, so by that definition no its not a "sniper rifle" since the legal definition in most states uses meters. But if it holds over five shots as a semi auto, you might be skating the assualt rifle term depending on the state I would think. In texas, thats a hog huntin gun though.

i think it's mostly used for standard military issue, not sniper type work, but it's a very accurate gun. even i got close to a bullseye at 50 yards w/o a scope.

 

[Iamtdg]

I saw him fire a ton of shots into the wolverine. Most don't hunt as purely a means of survival and you don't need a semi automatic weapon to bring down game. Didn't you all say an AR15 is a 223 caliber essentially. (I don't know, thats why I'm asking) That isn't a very big caliber gun to bring down large game. I used to deer hunt with a 30-06 and when I was younger a 30-30. (30-06 one shot one kill). I agree a bow would make hunting more sporting but I also have issue with the suffering an animal can endure when shot with an arrow. They don't often due right away a gun is a cleaner more humane kill IMO.

Do you have a point?