Obama being a dumbass again

[Doomsday]

They haven't said that the guns that were used were legally obtained under CA law yet or not.

They did, at last night's midnight presser. San Bernie police chief said so.

 

[bbgun]

As I've said before, if someone wants to commit a crime with a gun than laws will not restrict or stop them from doing so as evidenced by yesterday's mass shooting

which is why they're secretly for confiscation. after all, no guns = no violent crime!

 

[Doomsday]

which is why they're secretly for confiscation. after all, no guns = no violent crime!

Everything in increments though. Which also proves they WANT these "mass shootings" for without those, they can't get any more increments!

 

[peplaw06]

It's possible it is both a terrorist issue and a gun control issue. I've yet to see a logical response from anyone (not here, literally anywhere) on what this country can do about all of the recent violence involving gun violence & shootings.

That's what I tried to discuss in this thread... But people like dbair can't have that discussion. All they do is point to where some gun control laws didn't prevent certain shootings and think that proves no gun control laws will work. I don't think they want to solve the problem... or they think that if everyone carried a gun it would solve it.

 

[dbair1967]

That's what I tried to discuss in this thread... But people like dbair can't have that discussion. All they do is point to where some gun control laws didn't prevent certain shootings and think that proves no gun control laws will work. I don't think they want to solve the problem... or they think that if everyone carried a gun it would solve it.

But libtards like yourself Pep constantly argue that very strict gun control WILL eliminate all this, and as I have said repeatedly I don't think it will and has been proven 100% true. Areas of this country and countries abroad with EXTREMELY strict gun control laws still see this kind of stuff.

I keep saying it over and over because its 100% true whether you idiots want to admit it or not: BAD PEOPLE WILL FIND WAYS TO DO BAD THINGS

 

[cmd34]

I also like how people hold onto the fact that owning guns is a Constitutional-protected right.

Because everything in the Constitution from 239 years ago still stands.

I want to own people!!!!!!!

 

[Scot]

They did, at last night's midnight presser. San Bernie police chief said so.

That must of been at the 9:00 press conference. I turned it off before then. Just got tired of hearing about it on every single Chanel

 

[Scot]

Everything in increments though. Which also proves they WANT these "mass shootings" for without those, they can't get any more increments!

Doom is EXACTLY right (for once) lol

That is exactly how they have reached the bans here in Cali and how they have surpassed all other states in gun laws. They pass one small law to pass a little larger law and add to it over and over until it's the ban that was shot down in the first place.

They throw out an all out ban for shock and awe which gets shot down (pun intended) then they proceed to pass the same ban little by little under different laws and different verbiage. But 20 years later you end up with the original ban they wanted in the first place

That's what happened here in Cali

That's why we fight any new legislation so hard because we see the end game and ultimate agenda

 

[Doomsday]

I also like how people hold onto the fact that owning guns is a Constitutional-protected right.

Because everything in the Constitution from 239 years ago still stands.

I want to own people!!!!!!!

The right to own slaves was ever in the Constitution? Of course you know it never was.

I also like how people hold onto the fact that owning guns is a Constitutional-protected right.

Because it is and the courts have said so. The right to keep and bear arms - to own firearms - has been held up by the SCOTUS every time it's been challenged and the court has even clarified it, most recently in 2010:

In District of Columbia v. Heller (2008), the Supreme Court handed down a landmark decision that held the amendment protects an individual right to possess and carry firearms. In McDonald v. Chicago (2010), the Court clarified its earlier decisions that limited the amendment's impact to a restriction on the federal government, expressly holding that the Fourteenth Amendment applies the Second Amendment to state and local governments to the same extent that the Second Amendment applies to the federal government.

That debate is long over, even before these rulings.

All they do is point to where some gun control laws didn't prevent certain shootings and think that proves no gun control laws will work.

What ones will? None have worked, so far.

 

[bbgun]

I also like how people hold onto the fact that owning guns is a Constitutional-protected right.

Because everything in the Constitution from 239 years ago still stands.

I want to own people!!!!!!!

Well, it's in the Bill of Rights, and the courts over the years have upheld this right, so ... yeah. of course, it is not an absolute right, but you could say the same thing about free speech, freedom of the press, etc. you are also free to try to amend the 2nd Amendment, provided enough state legislatures are on your side.

 

[Scot]

If the goal is to disarm the law abiding citizen the gun laws or and all out ban will work

If it's to deter or stop crimes and or shooting

It will never work

 

[Doomsday]

Problem: Mass shootings by criminals who ignore laws like murder, and restrictions on firearms.

Solution: Further restrict law abiding citizen's gun rights.

Logical.

 

[dbair1967]

But those mean people wont do anything bad if they cant buy a gun at a store.

They'd never think to go to the black market and purchase untraceable weapons from people who want o make money or anything.

Those same mean people would never think to use bombs, fire, knives etc etc to do whatever garbage they were thinking about doing.

 

[peplaw06]

But libtards like yourself Pep

Congrats... first time I've ever been called a liberal.

constantly argue that very strict gun control WILL eliminate all this, and as I have said repeatedly I don't think it will and has been proven 100% true. Areas of this country and countries abroad with EXTREMELY strict gun control laws still see this kind of stuff.

I haven't constantly argued anything re: gun control... All I've said is that other industrialized countries don't see the frequency of mass shootings like we do. You don't like that fact, and it probably makes your eyes cross and steam come out of your ears, then you start lashing out like a 3 year old.

I keep saying it over and over because its 100% true whether you idiots want to admit it or not: BAD PEOPLE WILL FIND WAYS TO DO BAD THINGS

Sure they will... but that doesn't mean we can't have a discussion about how to make it harder for them to do so, and harder for them to kill tons of people.

 

[Doomsday]

 

[Doomsday]

Congrats... first time I've ever been called a liberal.

Yep I never got that impression from you. He's barking up the wrong tree methinks.

Sure they will... but that doesn't mean we can't have a discussion about how to make it harder for them to do so, and harder for them to kill tons of people.

The challenge is, making it harder for them without further infringing law abiding citizens.

All I've said is that other industrialized countries don't see the frequency of mass shootings like we do.

He took a whack at that, in another thread.

 

[dbair1967]

Congrats... first time I've ever been called a liberal.

You seem to come out in support of quite a few "liberal" or "progressive" subjects.

I haven't constantly argued anything re: gun control... All I've said is that other industrialized countries don't see the frequency of mass shootings like we do. You don't like that fact, and it probably makes your eyes cross and steam come out of your ears, then you start lashing out like a 3 year old.

Dude you argue everything, I suspect that comes from your chosen profession.

And I posted an article from someone in another thread that disputes some of the "more control= less mass shootings" stuff, the author had what seemed to be some pretty well researched info. That said, even if it WERE true (and I really am not sure it is, am definitely skeptical) what are those same countries punishments for those crimes? My guess is many (if not all) have much harsher, much quicker decisions on punishment for said crimes, which I think would deter people from committing such acts far more than "gun control". We are far too soft and the punishment takes far too long to really deter most from carrying out these crimes. Most know they can say they were crazy for 15-30 seconds of their life and get off with little or no real punishment. Even those convicted and sentenced get light punishments or early paroles far too often.

Sure they will... but that doesn't mean we can't have a discussion about how to make it harder for them to do so, and harder for them to kill tons of people.

I wonder what the research would show on crimes committed with "legally" purchased firearms vs crimes committed with guns bought on the black market. Especially when it comes to high powered automatic weapons.

 

[Dodger12]

I haven't constantly argued anything re: gun control... All I've said is that other industrialized countries don't see the frequency of mass shootings like we do. You don't like that fact, and it probably makes your eyes cross and steam come out of your ears, then you start lashing out like a 3 year old.

The facts shoot holes in Obama's claim that US is only host to mass killings | Fox News

In the November attacks, 129 people were killed and 352 were injured. In just 2015, France suffered more casualties – killings and injuries – from mass public shootings than the U.S. has suffered during Obama’s entire presidency (508 to 424). This number includes the San Bernandino massacre on Wednesday.

 

[Scot]

The facts shoot holes in Obama's claim that US is only host to mass killings | Fox News

In the November attacks, 129 people were killed and 352 were injured. In just 2015, France suffered more casualties – killings and injuries – from mass public shootings than the U.S. has suffered during Obama’s entire presidency (508 to 424). This number includes the San Bernandino massacre on Wednesday.

Interesting fact

 

[Scot]