It's about more than just rights

[iceberg]

Almighty creator of the universe can't manage to get his message across without "some instances of difference" among his followers?

Not very almighty. Maybe even mildly retarded.

well, He also gives freedom of choice and allows your own views to enter the mix. If you're an angry liberal, you'll likely make different decisions than an angry conservative. funny how you *both* use the same document to validate your viewpoints, isn't it?

back when i was having fun in my atheist days, i used to love the unsolvable problem that:

1) God can do anything.
2) Can God make a rock so big even He can't lift it?

then i'd be happy at the paradox cause it proved how stupid things are.

only, it's how stupid things are "at first glance".

the bible also says that we're created in Gods image and no, we can't build a rock so big we can't lift it.

yet.

the point isn't whether or not you get instant satisfaction out of something unless that's all you're looking for. at that point you're not thinking, merely reacting. made my point, game over. if mankind were truly that dense, i don't believe we'd ever progress much past the stone age cause ya know, we didn't have a wheel to make travel easier.

yet.

but mankind finds a way to evolve and grow and adapt to their surroundings. while there's always something we can't do today there isn't much we've not been able to accomplish "over time". so when i looked at things in a broader picture, the point isn't the immediate question, but the overall evolution.

so you have your freedom of choice and you can run with. i have my own beliefs on the topic that combine so many different things i've learned in life from many cultures. i'm not sure i believe in the God i studied at a roman catholic growing up, but i do find the need for faith. you have it too in your own way, just express it differently. are you right and i am wrong? dunno.

you can either learn from a different point of view, or wallow in your own.

 

[VTA]

Arbitrary distinction between essential and non essential....completely made up.

Obviously god has the ability to instantly impart to every individualon earth exactly how they should worship him (because he is so fucking needy) but chooses not to because he's so fucking needy. Like a dumb ex girlfriend who chastises you for not knowing that her asking you to take out the garbage really means that she'd like more personal time with you.

And so the reverent blame the victims (mankind) for not knowing how to worship this crazy bitch, just so they can protect their fragile belief system to prop up this irrational, self-contradictory imaginary deity. I don't know whether its more sad or pathetic.

Not really arbitrary, but since you're not willing to cite anything specific, what do you expect?
(BTW - Romans Ch 14)

Can you instantly impart your will to a baby? The condition is our condition. At this rate would you be calling Einstein and asshole for being unable to teach a child physics? I doubt it; you held God beneath the view of man, which is why you can't see Him.

 

[superpunk]

So your argument now is that your god is impotent - unable to impart something so simple?

Pretty weak god. You might want to find another one.

 

[iceberg]

So your argument now is that your god is impotent - unable to impart something so simple?

Pretty weak god. You might want to find another one.

He's got you fighting Him pretty hard, dude. if you really didn't care, none of this convo would be here. so religion must stir up something in you, even if negative.

that's a start.

fyi - if you really want to change someones faith, this is about the worst way to do it.
if you really wanna look the fool and just make people dig in, this is the best way to do it.

 

[VTA]

So your argument now is that your god is impotent - unable to impart something so simple?

Pretty weak god. You might want to find another one.

No I'm telling you you and I are not smart enough to comprehend God in one simple step.
Come on punk, obstinacy doesn't fit well on people who claim to be smart.

 

[VTA]

He's got you fighting Him pretty hard, dude. if you really didn't care, none of this convo would be here. so religion must stir up something in you, even if negative.

that's a start.

So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. - Jesus Rev 3:16

Punk's doing better than the Laodiceans.

 

[superpunk]

No I'm telling you you and I are not smart enough to comprehend God in one simple step.
Come on punk, obstinacy doesn't fit well on people who claim to be smart.

Oh so then you're changing the subject. fyi i didn't say anything about abstract "comprehending god" bullshit and that's not what you were addressing on the first place.

 

[VTA]

Oh so then you're changing the subject. fyi i didn't say anything about abstract "comprehending god" bullshit and that's not what you were addressing on the first place.

No I'm not and yes you were. You were the one going on about how God made it so hard to understand. I said no siree, it's not that hard. It does require your attention and time, i.e. education, but there's enough unanimity in evidence to present a unified picture of God, His will and our position to Him, if you care to pay attention.

Of course the origins of this topic weren't these, but you're the one who took umbrage at a comment I made to L-O-Jete. Of course your insistence in talking in generalities, while demanding specific answers isn't helping you either.

God bless. :jerry

 

[superpunk]

No we were talking about worship dipshit.

 

[VTA]

No we weren't, dopey. :mock

God - incapable of getting his message across easily. Trust him with your eternal soul though cuz you don't want him to start pmsing. He gets even more incoherent.

Apparently it is, since even those who put in the effort can't agree on what that stupid book means.

Almighty creator of the universe can't manage to get his message across without "some instances of difference" among his followers?

Not very almighty. Maybe even mildly retarded.

Lol at the qualifier of essentials v. non-essentials. Like its some great accomplishment for god to convey the "gist" of what he wants clearly, and downplay the differences causing schisms in the church throughout history.

Arbitrary distinction between essential and non essential....completely made up.

Obviously god has the ability to instantly impart to every individualon earth exactly how they should worship him (because he is so fucking needy) but chooses not to because he's so fucking needy. Like a dumb ex girlfriend who chastises you for not knowing that her asking you to take out the garbage really means that she'd like more personal time with you.

And so the reverent blame the victims (mankind) for not knowing how to worship this crazy bitch, just so they can protect their fragile belief system to prop up this irrational, self-contradictory imaginary deity. I don't know whether its more sad or pathetic.

So your argument now is that your god is impotent - unable to impart something so simple?

Pretty weak god. You might want to find another one.

 

[superpunk]

Learn to read.

Obviously god has the ability to instantly impart to every individualon earth exactly how they should worship him (because he is so fucking needy) but chooses not to because he's so fucking needy.

It doesn't even matter though. Either way your argument is "my god is too impotent to let everyone on earth know exactly what he wants in a way that gets everyone on the same page". Like i said, get a more powerful god. Yours is shit and just sits by wringing his hands like an old grandma, wishing he could do something while the reverent can't agree with each other on what he wants, what he likes, what he dislikes, or any such simple topics.

 

[VTA]

So then, you were changing the subject?

 

[iceberg]

So then, you were changing the subject?

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he can't even keep his hate straight, just keep on hating.

 

[superpunk]

1 kings 18:27

 

[iceberg]

1 kings 18:27

how is noticing you're changing the subject shouting louder?

methinks you protest too much.

 

[superpunk]

So we are talking about people basing their lives (beliefs, morals, etc.) on a version of a version of a version ad nauseum of a translation of a translation of a translation??

And I get po'd when the captions don't match what I'm hearing...

Talking about the exact same thing he was. Vta wants to change it top understanding the nature of god so he can excuse the lords impotence.

 

[iceberg]

Talking about the exact same thing he was. Vta wants to change it top understanding the nature of god so he can excuse the lords impotence.

and you want to count on an extreme generality to be all-encompassing.

 

[VTA]

1 kings 18:27

Are you offended? Baal's your thing?

 

[superpunk]

Are you offended? Baal's your thing?

If you were introspective at all you'd see the relevance.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

Would introspection include the ability of one to recognize that he has become everything he claims to hate about certain other people?