It's about more than just rights

[jnday]

I'm not a "religion practicing person" so I googled "Romans 1:18-25", but a lot of (I guess) different versions came up (King James, New International, ESV...), which one should I read?

Read the one that best fits your agenda. That seems to be a popular way figure it out.

 

[VTA]

KJV is fine.

 

[JBond]

I'm not a "religion practicing person" so I googled "Romans 1:18-25", but a lot of (I guess) different versions came up (King James, New International, ESV...), which one should I read?

 

[superpunk]

Read the one that best fits your agenda. That seems to be a popular way figure it out.

Otherwise known as the way to figure it out...if you know anything about agendas influencing translation...

 

[Bluenoser]

The world is going to shit. I sense another global flood to cure the world. I better start building my boat.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

The world is going to shit. I sense another global flood to cure the world. I better start building my boat.

Not global. Just Canadia...

 

[Angrymesscan]

Read the one that best fits your agenda. That seems to be a popular way figure it out.

So we are talking about people basing their lives (beliefs, morals, etc.) on a version of a version of a version ad nauseum of a translation of a translation of a translation??

And I get po'd when the captions don't match what I'm hearing...

 

[VTA]

Don't worry about versions. Get a KJV and a Youngs or Strongs concordance. Unless you want to learn Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic, otherwise a a good concordance will give the accurate meanings of the English translation from the original tongue. Sometimes a single English word is used, where in the original tongue, there are multiple words to indicate specific context.

The bible isn't something a person reads, it's something a person studies and spends time on.

 

[superpunk]

God - incapable of getting his message across easily. Trust him with your eternal soul though cuz you don't want him to start pmsing. He gets even more incoherent.

 

[VTA]

It's not all that hard. You can do it, you're just afraid you'll have to give up your porn or something.

 

[superpunk]

Apparently it is, since even those who put in the effort can't agree on what that stupid book means.

 

[VTA]

Sure we do. The question is, how are you defining effort? There's plenty of unanimity among the churches that are non-denominational Bible study churches. There some instances of difference, but nothing major.

The problems occur within the popular denominations.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

 

[superpunk]

Almighty creator of the universe can't manage to get his message across without "some instances of difference" among his followers?

Not very almighty. Maybe even mildly retarded.

 

[peplaw06]

Not global. Just Canadia...

They'll just say global warming did it.

 

[VTA]

Almighty creator of the universe can't manage to get his message across without "some instances of difference" among his followers?

Not very almighty. Maybe even mildly retarded.

What instances of difference are so problematic? As long as there's unity in the essentials, everyone is free to think what he wants, regarding non-essentials.

Beyond that God's not at fault for what men won't grasp out of their own stubbornness. If a man won't understand Gods word he should probably lower his view of his own capabilities just enough to realize he's not getting it because he's not getting it, not because it's wrong or stupid or whatever excuse he wants to make. There's more than enough evidence of people who do get it to prove the opposite is true.

 

[jnday]

God - incapable of getting his message across easily. Trust him with your eternal soul though cuz you don't want him to start pmsing. He gets even more incoherent.

Why is it so hard for you to keep your mouth shut on any discussion about religion or God? We all know you are a non-believer. Have more respect for the God that several of us worship. We get that you are arrogant enough to think that you are smarter than over 90% of the people of this country. You have that high of an opinion of yourself. There is no need to post in a discussion about God if you don't believe he exists. Iamtdg is a non-believer but he doesn't come off as a sour, jaded jerk in every thread involving religion.


You come across like a kid that hates football after he found out he wasn't good enough to make the team. Oh yeah, you are a bigot.

 

[superpunk]

Lol at the qualifier of essentials v. non-essentials. Like its some great accomplishment for god to convey the "gist" of what he wants clearly, and downplay the differences causing schisms in the church throughout history.

 

[VTA]

You're still avoiding specifics.

Essentials - Christ as Messiah and acceptance through faith apart from works.
Non-essentials - Levitical traditions of holy days, diets, clothing, etc

What's caused schism has been man's dishonesty and insecurity. Like it does in politics, economics and everything else he gets his hand into...

It's not God's accomplishment, it's ours. Biologists require years of study, is biology full of shit because it's not readily apparent from the get go? Or are we limited by the processes of our own brains, which require repetition and habits to learn? The ability to learn is a gift from God and learning about him is the ultimate gift.

 

[superpunk]

Arbitrary distinction between essential and non essential....completely made up.

Obviously god has the ability to instantly impart to every individualon earth exactly how they should worship him (because he is so fucking needy) but chooses not to because he's so fucking needy. Like a dumb ex girlfriend who chastises you for not knowing that her asking you to take out the garbage really means that she'd like more personal time with you.

And so the reverent blame the victims (mankind) for not knowing how to worship this crazy bitch, just so they can protect their fragile belief system to prop up this irrational, self-contradictory imaginary deity. I don't know whether its more sad or pathetic.