Gun Rights Discussion

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James S. Ellenson, the lawyer for the family of the 6 year old has released a statement.

Lawyer: 6-year-old who shot teacher has 'acute disability'

The family of a 6-year-old boy who shot and wounded his teacher in Virginia says the child suffered from “an acute disability.”

apnews.com

Apparently the 6 year old has intellectual and behavioral disabilities. I don't know if his special education was for him alone, or if the entire class he was in was a "special education" class. But the child was in a very rare “individualized education program” or IEP, which is provided to students with disabilities under federal law.

Regarding the disability, the family said the boy “was under a care plan at the school that included his mother or father attending school with him and accompanying him to class every day.”

But for whatever reasons, there was no parent with the child the day of the shooting. And... get this...

The superintendent of Newport News schools revealed last week that Richneck administrators had learned the child may have had a weapon before the shooting. But a search did not find the handgun, despite staff looking through his bag.

Ellenson told The Associated Press by phone Thursday evening that his understanding is that the gun was in the mother’s closet on a top shelf that was well over six feet high. The weapon also had a trigger lock that requires a key, similar to a bike lock.

I think is room here for many lawsuits from the parents of students that witnessed this shooting, against the school district.

 

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James S. Ellenson, the lawyer for the family of the 6 year old has released a statement.

Lawyer: 6-year-old who shot teacher has 'acute disability'

The family of a 6-year-old boy who shot and wounded his teacher in Virginia says the child suffered from “an acute disability.”

apnews.com

Apparently the 6 year old has intellectual and behavioral disabilities. I don't know if his special education was for him alone, or if the entire class he was in was a "special education" class. But the child was in a very rare “individualized education program” or IEP, which is provided to students with disabilities under federal law.

Regarding the disability, the family said the boy “was under a care plan at the school that included his mother or father attending school with him and accompanying him to class every day.”

But for whatever reasons, there was no parent with the child the day of the shooting. And... get this...

The superintendent of Newport News schools revealed last week that Richneck administrators had learned the child may have had a weapon before the shooting. But a search did not find the handgun, despite staff looking through his bag.

Ellenson told The Associated Press by phone Thursday evening that his understanding is that the gun was in the mother’s closet on a top shelf that was well over six feet high. The weapon also had a trigger lock that requires a key, similar to a bike lock.

I think is room here for many lawsuits from the parents of students that witnessed this shooting, against the school district.

None of this makes sense and, as always, if it doesn't make sense something just isn't true. There's a crisis today in our schools with kids who are not acclimated to normal society. My humble opinion is that doctors are prescribing meds to kids at a young age and the meds fuck them up even more. This child had an "intellectual and behavioral" disabilities. I'd be willing to bet that the parents have issues themselves that contributed to this child's development.

I had young kids and guns in my home. I can't fathom that a 6 year old would get a hold of a secured and out of reach weapon without some negligence of the parents. People can sue the parents but they probably don't have insurance or a pot to piss in so the taxpayers will foot the bill. I also don't believe the teachers searched the 6 year old. You're telling me that a 6 year old with developmental issues is smart enough to conceal a weapon where teachers can't find it? And they knew the kid had a weapon probably because the child showed it to his friends.

Just another example of our society being fucked. I have friends who are teachers and they have kids starting school who aren't potty trained and still wearing diapers at 5 and 6 years pf age. Follow the bread crumbs to the dysfunctional parents and you'll get all the answers you need.

 

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There's a mind set in society today where these cretins are not held accountable for any of their acctions. There are no consequences so their decision making process doesn't factor in any of the negative consequences. Keep having kids when you can't afford them? No problem, responsible members of society will pay for your conduct. Rob, steal and hurt others? No problem, we'll let you out with no consequences. Sit at home and smoke weed all day? No problem, we'll provide you disability paid for by working Americans. Don't raise your kids with any discipline? No problem, we'll just send them to school and make the teachers struggle to teach your child respect and discipline while taking time away from adjusted children.

There was a time when people had to sink or swim. And that survival instinct provided the will to work and put food on the table. To decide what was needed and what wasn't. To decide if the risk was worth the reward. To raise your kids with a work ethic to prepare them for life's challenges. The world has changed and people suck.

 

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None of this makes sense and, as always, if it doesn't make sense something just isn't true. There's a crisis today in our schools with kids who are not acclimated to normal society. My humble opinion is that doctors are prescribing meds to kids at a young age and the meds fuck them up even more. This child had an "intellectual and behavioral" disabilities. I'd be willing to bet that the parents have issues themselves that contributed to this child's development.

I had young kids and guns in my home. I can't fathom that a 6 year old would get a hold of a secured and out of reach weapon without some negligence of the parents. People can sue the parents but they probably don't have insurance or a pot to piss in so the taxpayers will foot the bill. I also don't believe the teachers searched the 6 year old. You're telling me that a 6 year old with developmental issues is smart enough to conceal a weapon where teachers can't find it? And they knew the kid had a weapon probably because the child showed it to his friends.

Just another example of our society being fucked. I have friends who are teachers and they have kids starting school who aren't potty trained and still wearing diapers at 5 and 6 years pf age. Follow the bread crumbs to the dysfunctional parents and you'll get all the answers you need.

And how did he get past the trigger lock, if there really was one?

I don't have kids in my house anymore but I still keep my guns locked in a safe. I can get in quickly but someone else would need to break the save open which would be noisy and time consuming.

 

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And how did he get past the trigger lock, if there really was one?

I don't have kids in my house anymore but I still keep my guns locked in a safe. I can get in quickly but someone else would need to break the save open which would be noisy and time consuming.

I agree and I don't believe there was a trigger lock. I don't keep my guns in a safe but they are secured in an area where no one goes excpet me and my wife. And I also keep a loaded gun nearby (and out of reach). Keeping all guns locked is counter productive....as the saying goes....."you never need a gun....until you need one real bad."

 

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I agree and I don't believe there was a trigger lock. I don't keep my guns in a safe but they are secured in an area where no one goes excpet me and my wife. And I also keep a loaded gun nearby (and out of reach). Keeping all guns locked is counter productive....as the saying goes....."you never need a gun....until you need one real bad."

Reminds me of this meme:

 

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We need more Good Guys with Guns...

German police say a man has fatally stabbed two people and injured seven others on a train in northern Germany before being arrested

Man held for knife attack on German train; 2 dead, 7 injured

German officials say a man described as a stateless Palestinian has fatally stabbed two passengers and injured seven others on a train in northern Germany

abcnews.go.com

 

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Darwin Award

Man shot dead after dog steps on hunting rifle's trigger

A dog stepped on a gun in the backseat of a car, striking and killing a 30-year-old man in the front seat, Kansas authorities said.

abcnews.go.com

 

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Federal appeals court strikes down domestic violence gun law

Specifically, the court ruled that the federal law was an “outlier that our ancestors would never have accepted” — borrowing a quote from the Bruen decision.

Federal appeals court strikes down domestic violence gun law

Specifically, the court ruled that the federal law was an “outlier that our ancestors would never have accepted” — borrowing a quote from the Bruen decision.

www.politico.com

 

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I guess everyone should carry. Because you never know when you'll encounter a psycho off their meds...

Young mom killed in front of kids after parking lot dispute on Valentine’s Day

“Senseless is the only word I can think of to describe what happened today,” said Irmo Police Chief Bobby Dale.

nypost.com

 

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I guess everyone should carry. Because you never know when you'll encounter a psycho off their meds...

That's a big part of it. The other part is that people are quick to engage a complete unknown in an argument. Why? I try not to bother with idiots whether it be road rage or just some disagreement in a place of business. Just move on.

 

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I guess everyone should carry. Because you never know when you'll encounter a psycho off their meds...

That's a big part of it. The other part is that people are quick to engage a complete unknown in an argument. Why? I try not to bother with idiots whether it be road rage or just some disagreement in a place of business. Just move on.

And there it is. Soccer mom thought that people give a fuck.....they don't. So don't enagage people for stupid shit. And certainly don't think that you'll just spit on people and everyone will just take it. The lady didn't deserve to be shot (obviously) but I also don't know what people are thinking.

South Carolina woman killed in Kroger parking lot spit at suspect prior to shooting: police

A South Carolina woman was shot after she allegedly spit at a driver during an argument over who had the right-of-way, a local police chief said.

www.foxnews.com

 

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I live about an hour and half or so from Columbus, there's hardly been a peep about this even locally.

And we know why it isn't national news. This was absolutely horrible, and I don't see any MSM "outrage" over it.

A 35-year-old and a 15-year-old were arrested for shooting 9 CHILDREN at a Georgia gas station. Why do you think you haven't heard about this mass shooting?

You read that headline right. A 35-year-old and a 15-year-old have been arrested for committing a mass shooting of 9 CHILDREN at a Columbus, Georgia gas station 10 days ago. The youngest victim was just 5 years old.

notthebee.com

 

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A Good Guy with a Gun...

A 9-year-old boy was among 2 stabbed in an unprovoked attack at a Target in Los Angeles, police say. The suspect was shot and killed by a security guard

https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/15/us/los-angeles-target-stabbing

All I'm asking for is Common Sense Knife Control...

 

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A Good Guy with a Gun...

A 9-year-old boy was among 2 stabbed in an unprovoked attack at a Target in Los Angeles, police say. The suspect was shot and killed by a security guard

https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/15/us/los-angeles-target-stabbing

All I'm asking for is Common Sense Knife Control...

Looks like another clear cut case of white supremacy to me

 

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Or "Official Oppression" ....

 

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Fun with Reddit

I said: "So my 2nd Amendment right to keep and bear arms can be infringed if someone else abuses that right?? How about the 1st Amendment while we're at it. I'm sure that's been abused. What a slippery slope. They don't have speech or gun "problems" in Communist China. Go check them out!"

The response was: "I’m so sick of this “shall not be infringed” bullshit. They literally had muskets when that was written. If your only leg to stand on is something that was written before these weapons were even conceptualized, you have no argument, and laws need to change.

and

"And worse, "...shall not be infringed" is only the soundbite version of the Second Amendment. Ammosexuals have so little respect for the 2nd ( or any Amendment) that they won't even bother saying the whole thing. It's not like those few extra words are hard to say, unless they're so lazy even that is too much for them."

 

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Fun with Reddit

I said: "So my 2nd Amendment right to keep and bear arms can be infringed if someone else abuses that right?? How about the 1st Amendment while we're at it. I'm sure that's been abused. What a slippery slope. They don't have speech or gun "problems" in Communist China. Go check them out!"

The response was: "I’m so sick of this “shall not be infringed” bullshit. They literally had muskets when that was written. If your only leg to stand on is something that was written before these weapons were even conceptualized, you have no argument, and laws need to change.

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"And worse, "...shall not be infringed" is only the soundbite version of the Second Amendment. Ammosexuals have so little respect for the 2nd ( or any Amendment) that they won't even bother saying the whole thing. It's not like those few extra words are hard to say, unless they're so lazy even that is too much for them."

Muskets were the weapon of the day back then so that point has no merit. If you had a musket and a canon, you had a fighting chance against tyranny. And 2A doesn't say the right to keep and bear muskets. It says "arms." But these people can not think for themselves. They can not get beyond their ideology and see how it will affect every amendment. We can;'t pick and chose which ones we like or don't like.

 

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I grow tired of even trying to talk with/to people so I stopped. I avoid them. I'm too old to deal with bullshit and narrow minded people who have barely lived and can not think beyond what they're told to think. They can just go to work in their corprorate job and scrape by with barely enough money to pay their rent, lease a vehicle and have an occasional $7 beer. They'll learn the hard way.......