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waiting for numbers on undeserving welfare recipients if its such an epidemic they should be readily available sorry I'm not watching dateline specials to find out.

lol

Not surprised in the least this is your angle.

I showed you some proof. The 2nd vid is especially damning, as it shows widespread abuse. The first is just a single example.

You're a smart guy, I'm sure you know how to use google.
 

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ah the classic where's your proof use google retort. Sorry you're making the claim, you back it up. I don't have speakers on my work computer, you know since I'm actually at work instead of home collecting government checks like you youtube watchers gaming the system and making kids all day.
 

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Ah, can't come up with anything, resort to childish insults. Well played.

Also, I'm at work, too. Don't hate me because I have a better job than you.
 

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I can only assume someone has hacked your account. The proper response from you would have been the tried and true "No u".
 

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Ah, can't come up with anything, resort to childish insults. Well played.

Also, I'm at work, too. Don't hate me because I have a better job than you.

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Just used google it told me that everyone on welfare deserves it. Checkmate.
This article must have been right under the everyone deserves it one you found. This one is from the L.A. Times. Your having no speakers at work shouldn't hinder you on this one, I'd hope.


Welfare Fraud Study

Your April 26 article on the recent study examining welfare fraud in Orange County suggests that California officials may be misguided in cracking down on welfare fraud. Nothing could be further from the truth.

The fraud rate for all Aid to Families With Dependent Children cases is not "only about 4%"; that number refers to the amount of fraud detected through the quality-control process, a system designed primarily to find errors by welfare officials, not fraud. The truth is, since 1970, a range of studies have put the rate of welfare fraud anywhere from 10% to 100%.

To get a better estimate of welfare across the entire AFDC population, the state will conduct additional studies. Even if the fraud rate is only 4%, the cost of fraud in all welfare programs is a staggering $750 million every year. Given that efforts to fight welfare fraud are extremely cost-effective ($28 in savings for every dollar invested), it's wise to step up our efforts now.

As for the Orange County study, we stand by it. It made sense for us to look at highly suspicious cases like the ones examined in Orange County, in which adults denied working but claimed they were supporting their families on a welfare grant intended for one person. We anticipated a high level of fraud, but what we found exceeded all of our expectations.

The facts are hard to impugn: Fraud was discovered in 62% of the cases investigated at a cost of millions of dollars to taxpayers. It doesn't mean that fraud is 62% statewide; we've never maintained that it did. It does mean that welfare fraud may be a greater problem than we ever imagined.

ELOISE ANDERSON, Director

Department of Social Services, Sacramento
 

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I'm sure superpunk meant 38% not 98% when he typed it. Simple misunderstanding is all.
 

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stuff that Nodak should have investigated more before he copy pasted it and looked dumb

But that's not what the figure actually represents. It includes both intentional misrepresentations and unintentional errors, such as information being taken down incorrectly by the county.

When we called Haley about the statement, he said the number refers to all welfare applications reviewed by investigators between 2001 and 2009 that contained discrepancies. The office looks for discrepancies regarding the whereabouts of children and absent parents, unreported income or property, the whereabouts of applicants, and the existence of felony arrest warrants, Haley said.

Not all of those application issues rose to the level of fraud, however.

"It could be that they lied on the application," Haley said. "It could be that the person who took the application information took it down wrong."

The LA Times used the 24 percent number because that's how Haley described it to the newspaper's reporter. Haley said he used the term "fraud found" even though he was actually talking about the larger pool of all discrepancies.

"'Fraud found' is the terminology that we use," he said.

The Los Angeles Times reporter, Jack Dolan, declined comment.

Since the 24 percent statistic doesn't represent confirmed cases of fraud, we've called the statement false.

US department of labor put frequency of fraud at under 2%.
 

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Doesn't prove a thing. First, your snippet says something about 24%. Where does it say in the one I posted anything about 24%? Is it even an article in direct contention to the one I posted?

Second, if you want to believe there isn't a problem with welfare fraud, be my guest. Continue shutting your eyes when you see people paying for alcohol with an EBT card. Or the lady that loads up three grocery carts with food, pays with her EBT, then loads the groceries in the back of her escalade. Or people selling foodstamps for 50 cents on the dollar, or even less. People selling WIC vouchers, people drawing housing assistence while living with a friend or their parents, etc... The list goes on and on.
 

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oh so we're off department of labor statistics because they don't prove a thing and back to common sense.
 

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oh so we're off department of labor statistics because they don't prove a thing and back to common sense.
I don't know that what you posted is in contrast to what I did. The percentages didn't even match to what it is supposed to be disputing. So the Dept. of Labor is the endall to this? And a report from the director of the Dept. of Social Services isn't reliable? I guess the fact that welfare is a social service shouldn't have anything to do with it.

And yeah. Common sense is a very useful tool. Because you choose not to use it is no skin off my ass.

So, anyway. Post some other useless analogy, or whatever. I'm bored with this. You're like the extreme left version of Schmitty over at the DCC when it comes to anything even remotely political. Both will argue something until your blue in the face, no matter what evidence or common sense should tell you.
 

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I don't know that what you posted is in contrast to what I did. The percentages didn't even match to what it is supposed to be disputing. So the Dept. of Labor is the endall to this? And a report from the director of the Dept. of Social Services isn't reliable? I guess the fact that welfare is a social service shouldn't have anything to do with it.

And yeah. Common sense is a very useful tool. Because you choose not to use it is no skin off my ass.

So, anyway. Post some other useless analogy, or whatever. I'm bored with this. You're like the extreme left version of Schmitty over at the DCC when it comes to anything even remotely political. Both will argue something until your blue in the face, no matter what evidence or common sense should tell you.

the dept of social services of sacramento or some shit. Using numbers that don't even represent actual fraud. Yeah I'd say you should have researched that a bit more before you posted it for no reason and looked silly. And a department of labor study specifically on welfare fraud is probably more reliable. But it's ok I want you guys to get educated on the issues rather than just relying on common sense and high horse reasoning that determines all your welfare taxes are fueling poor family's Escalades.
 

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Common sense tells me that there is no fucking way that aircraft carriers can float. The crazy thing is, they do. I can't explain it.
 

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Common sense tells me that there is no fucking way that aircraft carriers can float. The crazy thing is, they do. I can't explain it.

If that's as far as common sense takes you, then your issue is self-evident.
 
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