FBI Releases Marathon Suspect Pictures

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2233boys said:
What if the government deemed you a threat for whatever reason, should your rights be suspended?

No.
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A threat is a far cry from someone who just blew up an 8 year old kid watching his dad finish the Boston Marathon. It's a stupid analogy.
 
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Iamtdg said:
A threat is a far cry from someone who just blew up an 8 year old kid watching his dad finish the Boston Marathon. It's a stupid analogy.
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It isn't, a bad analogy at all. The point is if we start suspending rights of American Citzens now where does it stop.
 
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I get all that.

My question is how does he feel about running over his brother.
 
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They're saying the one that was hiding in the boat has a gunshot wound on the back of his neck but the doctors say it's an exit wound. It appears he may have put a gun in his mouth and tried to kill himself while he was hiding.
 
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2233boys said:
It isn't, a bad analogy at all. The point is if we start suspending rights of American Citzens now where does it stop.
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It can stop when acts of war on our soil stop.

That simple.

Oh, and your analogy is still stupid. Threat = potential. Enemy = right fucking now.
 
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2233boys said:
It isn't, a bad analogy at all. The point is if we start suspending rights of American Citzens now where does it stop.
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this presumes to think that we let someone in as an "american" they forever get the same rights as someone here 80 years?

do they?

that is the question, it would seem.
 
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iceberg said:
this presumes to think that we let someone in as an "american" they forever get the same rights as someone here 80 years?

do they?

that is the question, it would seem.
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Oddest sounding question ever. :)
Is there a sliding scale of rights? The longer your here do you get more right? On my mothers side, my family was here before the Revolutionary War, should I have more rights? My answer would be no.
 
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2233, it's because of imminent danger. It's been explained numerous times on TV and radio. They are trying to find out if there are other active bombs in the area, etc... They don't want to present him with the right to be silent if they can prevent another explosion/killing. The way I understand it being explained is that he's being looked at as an enemy combatant of the United States. Doesn't matter if he's an American citizen, Russian soldier, etc.. It is a rarely used clause to the Miranda rights, and isn't something that would be used in a "normal" crime, where some bank robber or whatever could be looked at as an ongoing threat to the public once in custody.
 
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NoDak said:
2233, it's because of imminent danger. It's been explained numerous times on TV and radio. They are trying to find out if there are other active bombs in the area, etc... They don't want to present him with the right to be silent if they can prevent another explosion/killing. The way I understand it being explained is that he's being looked at as an enemy combatant of the United States. Doesn't matter if he's an American citizen, Russian soldier, etc.. It is a rarely used clause to the Miranda rights, and isn't something that would be used in a "normal" crime, where some bank robber or whatever could be looked at as an ongoing threat to the public once in custody.
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I understand the Miranda Rights thing. I disagree but I understand why they are using that clause. This entire argument came from two posters claiming he didn't deserve due process. I disagree. From what I heard yesterday there is a limited time they can go without reading him his rights.
 
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iceberg said:
this presumes to think that we let someone in as an "american" they forever get the same rights as someone here 80 years?

do they?

that is the question, it would seem.
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What's the cut off Ice? Personally, I would question whether someone who's not an American is entitled to the same rights as an American. But this guy was an American citizen, like it or not. Certainly, I don't consider foreign combatants, arrested on foreign soil in war time, as having the same rights as an American. Unfortunately, our President did and put a lot of our interrogators at risk when he first took office by threatening to prosecute them. This clown is just fumbling and bumbling his way through, making the rules up as he goes.

At the end of the day, this is a real slippery slope. What do you do if he asks for a lawyer during his non-Mirandized interrogation(s)? Do you continue on with the interview or get him a lawyer? What if he continues to remain silent and not answer any questions? What if his lawyer said he was too incoherent in his current medical state to understand what he was telling the police? We all know these questions will be challenged for years in the criminal justice system as this thing drags on form one appeal to another.

Give him his Miranda Warnings, stop making this a political issue and try the guy in court. The evidence is overwhelming. There's no need to give this guy any reasons for appeal that will unnecessarily drag this thing out.
 
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iceberg said:
this presumes to think that we let someone in as an "american" they forever get the same rights as someone here 80 years?

do they?

that is the question, it would seem.
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An American is an American we don't have fvcking castes. Citizenship is supposed to mean something and your mere implications to the contrary offend me.
 
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2233boys said:
I understand the Miranda Rights thing. I disagree but I understand why they are using that clause. This entire argument came from two posters claiming he didn't deserve due process. I disagree. From what I heard yesterday there is a limited time they can go without reading him his rights.
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So in looking to understanding completely, I have to ask; do you think the people at Guantamo - enemy combatants/prisoners of war - deserve due process according to our Constitution?
 
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