Donovan McNabb promises "a special season in 2011"

[Midswat]

To be blunt, when considering QB's for the Hall, i do not buy that they consider what system the guy played in.

Then you're naive.

They look at numbers and accomplishments.

He has good numbers in an era when slightly better than average QB's put up good numbers.

But he doesn't have accomplishments.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

He has good numbers in an era when slightly better than average QB's put up good numbers.

But he doesn't have accomplishments.

I compared his numbers with the most recent QB's to get in the Hall.. Kelly, Aikman, Moon.. he matches up, if not surpasses them.

Im not going to list all the accomplishments again, but they are there for those who choose not to ignore them.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

I never said he wouldn't get consideration. And I couldn't give a shit less about the media talking about him. He's been a media darling post Limbaugh anyway.

I said he wouldn't get in. Which, he won't.

McNabb a media darling.

lol lol lol

 

[Midswat]

I compared his numbers with the most recent QB's to get in the Hall.. Kelly, Aikman, Moon.. he matches up, if not surpasses them.

Im not going to list all the accomplishments again, but they are there for those who choose not to ignore them.

Wont.

Get.

In.

 

[Midswat]

McNabb a media darling.

lol lol lol

Oh for ****s sake, you don't even acknowledge that?

That's it... I'm done here. You're hopeless.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Oh for ****s sake, you don't even acknowledge that?

That's it... I'm done here. You're hopeless.

McNabb gets shit on for everything. All the Eagles problems, now this crap in NFL Hell Redskin land was supposedly his fault as well. Show me a few articles where he's given a bunch of credit for anything?

Or keep parading around like an imbecile with the talk of how his numbers may match up but they don't matter, or his accomplishments match up but that doesn't matter either. You bring nothing to the table in this discussion. So yes, lets be done with this until you come up with anything of substance. Something better than "won't get in."

lol

 

[Rock Slamdance]

No way McNabb gets into the hall. No. Way.

McNabb is not even one the top 10 quarterbacks of the last 15 years. I don't give a shit how many Eagles team records he has, or how many NFC Title games he lost. The guy is over rated, and if he is ever allowed to have a bust in the hall of fame, I will go to Canton and take a piss on it.

This isn't just good old fashion McNabb hate, either. I truly believe that he is an average quarterback at best, who has not even put up decent numbers in a user friendly passing attack. Cynth brought up his 58.9 career completion percentage is abysmal when you think of how user friendly the WCO is for quarterbacks. A lot of short passes and check offs. You bring up his huge 2004 season...31 touchdowns, 14 to Owens. The rest of McNabb's career looks very average for a guy in this era.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

No way McNabb gets into the hall. No. Way.

McNabb is not even one the top 10 quarterbacks of the last 15 years. I don't give a shit how many Eagles team records he has, or how many NFC Title games he lost. The guy is over rated, and if he is ever allowed to have a bust in the hall of fame, I will go to Canton and take a piss on it.

This isn't just good old fashion McNabb hate, either. I truly believe that he is an average quarterback at best, who has not even put up decent numbers in a user friendly passing attack. Cynth brought up his 58.9 career completion percentage is abysmal when you think of how user friendly the WCO is for quarterbacks. A lot of short passes and check offs. You bring up his huge 2004 season...31 touchdowns, 14 to Owens. The rest of McNabb's career looks very average for a guy in this era.

He's not overrated when you consider his numbers are on par with or better all the most recent HoF modern era QB's that i already listed, and you factor in that they all had at least one HoF WR to throw to for the majority of their careers. Alot of them had more than one. McNabb had 20 games with Owens, and most of the rest of the entire decade he had crap. His 59 completion percentage is one percent less than Jim Kelly, Dan Fouts, etc.. and 1.5 percent less than Aikman.

His 7 yards per completion is .7 less than Fouts for their careers, and roughly equal with Troy who threw for 6.9 yards per completion for his career.. so that checkdown stuff really has little merit. I doubt most of you watched enough Eagles games to see the majority of passes that he threw, and the checkdown thing only comes into play because Westbrook was such a good receiving option out of the backfield, and most of the time he was one of the most talented WR's on the Eagles team, even as a RB.

 

[Rock Slamdance]

He's not overrated when you consider his numbers are on par with or better all the most recent HoF modern era QB's that i already listed, and you factor in that they all had at least one HoF WR to throw to for the majority of their careers. Alot of them had more than one. McNabb had 20 games with Owens, and most of the rest of the entire decade he had crap. His 59 completion percentage is one percent less than Jim Kelly, Dan Fouts, etc.. and 1.5 percent less than Aikman.

His 7 yards per completion is .7 less than Fouts for their careers, and roughly equal with Troy who threw for 6.9 yards per completion for his career.. so that checkdown stuff really has little merit. I doubt most of you watched enough Eagles games to see the majority of passes that he threw, and the checkdown thing only comes into play because Westbrook was such a good receiving option out of the backfield, and most of the time he was one of the most talented WR's on the Eagles team, even as a RB.

"Modern Era" is a misnomer. The game has changed a ton in the last 10-12 years. Don't compare McNabb's stats that did not play in the pass happy league that we have now. Compare McNabb to guys that have played over the last decade +, and to other WCO quarterbacks like Midswat suggested. Donovan does not add up.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

"Modern Era" is a misnomer. The game has changed a ton in the last 10-12 years. Don't compare McNabb's stats that did not play in the pass happy league that we have now. Compare McNabb to guys that have played over the last decade +, and to other WCO quarterbacks like Midswat suggested. Donovan does not add up.

He adds up with Aikman, and Jim Kelly, and Moon.

..and i did throw a stat out there about active QB's. His winning percentage is third among all of them behind only Peyton and Brady.

 

[Rock Slamdance]

He adds up with Aikman, and Jim Kelly, and Moon.

Home slice, I just said you can't compare him to 90's quarterbacks. That dog just don't hunt. I'd be willing to bet Matt Hasselbeck is a HoF'er as well, huh?

..and i did throw a stat out there about active QB's. His winning percentage is third among all of them behind only Peyton and Brady.

Winning % is all you can do? That does not really mean much when you are 1-3 in title games and o-1 in Super Bowls. The two guys ahead of him have rings.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Home slice, I just said you can't compare him to 90's quarterbacks. That dog just don't hunt. I'd be willing to bet Matt Hasselbeck is a HoF'er as well, huh?



Winning % is all you can do? That does not really mean much when you are 1-3 in title games and o-1 in Super Bowls. The two guys ahead of him have rings.

Jim Kelly lost 4 consecutive super bowls and he's in..

 

[Rock Slamdance]

Jim Kelly lost 4 consecutive super bowls and he's in..

Jim Kelly also put up what was considered pretty amazing numbers for the 80's and 90's.

There is nothing amazing about McNabb's numbers in this era.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Home slice, I just said you can't compare him to 90's quarterbacks. That dog just don't hunt. I'd be willing to bet Matt Hasselbeck is a HoF'er as well, huh?



Winning % is all you can do? That does not really mean much when you are 1-3 in title games and o-1 in Super Bowls. The two guys ahead of him have rings.

Oh, and Hasselbeck has a lower ypc average, lower TD/INT ratio, lower QB rating, lower total yards, nowhere near as many postseason appearances, etc, etc.. come on now.

Someone please give me some substance as to why McNabb shouldn't even be considered.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Jim Kelly also put up what was considered pretty amazing numbers for the 80's and 90's.

There is nothing amazing about McNabb's numbers in this era.

You keep saying that, but i keep showing all the records he's set and/or broken with just purely his stats, and you don't factor in postseason appearances at all either, or the receivers he had to work with.

 

[Rock Slamdance]

You keep saying that, but i keep showing all the records he's set and/or broken with just purely his stats, and you don't factor in postseason appearances at all either, or the receivers he had to work with.

Compare his stats with the Mannings, Bradys, Warners ect of HIS era, not guys that played in the run heavy 80s and 90s.

And I am factoring post season appearances...1-4 in big games.

 

[Sheik]

WGAS? The Hall of Fame is just as big a joke as the Pro Bowl.

Put that tall midget in there. Whocarescauseidont.

 

[sbk92]

McNabb should be considered for the HOF. He had a career much better than the average Cowboys fan would give him credit for.

But he's certainly not a good QB anymore. Once he lost his wheels he was forever done as a top flight QB. As a pure passer, he's been mediocre at best. And this was in a QB friendly offense his entire career.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Compare his stats with the Mannings, Bradys, Warners ect of HIS era, not guys that played in the run heavy 80s and 90s.

And I am factoring post season appearances...1-4 in big games.

Who cares if its a run heavy or pass heavy era if they had about the same length of careers and have about the same amount of attemps? They had the same amount of chances to put up numbers in that case. Aikman, Fouts, Jim Kelly, McNabb.. all have around 5,000 attemps for their career.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

McNabb should be considered for the HOF. He had a career much better than the average Cowboys fan would give him credit for.

But he's certainly not a good QB anymore. Once he lost his wheels he was forever done as a top flight QB. As a pure passer, he's been mediocre at best. And this was in a QB friendly offense his entire career.

QB friendly offense, perhaps. He certainly didn't have the weapons that most HoF QB's have had though.