Donovan McNabb promises "a special season in 2011"

[RoyTheHammer]

McNabb is a QB on a decllne in his career.

He doesn't move around out of the pocket like he used to to create plays.

It's one of the reasons Shanahan benched him last year, he's eaten too many cans of Chunky Soup.

I wouldn't put any stock into any decision Shannahan made last year. He and his son fielded a three ring circus instead of a football team.

One bad year with a joke of an organization like that doesn't mean you're on decline, imo. You people look at the moves that have been made instead of his play. He had a couple of his strongest years with the Eagles before they traded him, and then one down year with that joke of a franchise. If he gets traded to a team with some weapons.. watch out. Vikings would be one i wouldn't wana see him on.

 

[Cythim]

I wouldn't put any stock into any decision Shannahan made last year. He and his son fielded a three ring circus instead of a football team.

One bad year with a joke of an organization like that doesn't mean you're on decline, imo. You people look at the moves that have been made instead of his play. He had a couple of his strongest years with the Eagles before they traded him, and then one down year with that joke of a franchise. If he gets traded to a team with some weapons.. watch out. Vikings would be one i wouldn't wana see him on.

His problem is a lack of mobility, his health, and the fact that he was never a strong passer. He is not good enough to be a start anymore.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

His problem is a lack of mobility, his health, and the fact that he was never a strong passer. He is not good enough to be a start anymore.

He was never a strong passer? Explain this ridiculous statement a little please?

I think he can still be a very effective starter with weapons around him. As i said, i guess we will see if he gets traded to a better team. If not, he's stuck in NFL Hell there in DC.

 

[Cythim]

He is a checkdown artist, Brian Westbrook was one of his favorite receivers. He has a career 59% completion rate, 6.9 yards per attempt, and 85 rating. He was never a strong passer.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

He is a checkdown artist, Brian Westbrook was one of his favorite receivers. He has a career 59% completion rate, 6.9 yards per attempt, and 85 rating. He was never a strong passer.

How many times did Westbrook lead the team in receiving?

36,000 passing yards, 230 Passing TD's and a 2 to 1 INT ratio are pretty damn good for a "weak passer". Not to mention he's had jack squat to work with in his career besides 20 games with TO. There's a good reason why Westbrook was one of his favorite receivers most years, ha.

Guy has borderline HoF numbers and you say he isn't a strong passer. Funny man.

 

[Cythim]

How many times did Westbrook lead the team in receiving?

36,000 passing yards, 230 Passing TD's and a 2 to 1 INT ratio are pretty damn good for a "weak passer". Not to mention he's had jack squat to work with in his career besides 20 games with TO. There's a good reason why Westbrook was one of his favorite receivers most years, ha.

Guy has borderline HoF numbers and you say he isn't a strong passer. Funny man.

How the hell do you qualify his numbers as borderline HoF? QBs are put into the HoF based on merit, not stats. Even if you wanted to try and base it on stats, you are comparing stats from a different era in football that wasn't so kind to QBs and WRs.

You have to compare him to today's QBs, and McNabb does not hold his own in that light. He wasn't even a top 10 QB in 2009, which was "one of the best seasons of his career." He was a top 5 QB once in his entire career, in 2004 when he was throwing to TO. The only thing he has going for him is his low INT rate. It's just too bad he screws it up with his high fumbling rate.

But it isn't his fault, he hasn't had anything to work with throughout his entire career.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

How the hell do you qualify his numbers as borderline HoF? QBs are put into the HoF based on merit, not stats. Even if you wanted to try and base it on stats, you are comparing stats from a different era in football that wasn't so kind to QBs and WRs.

You have to compare him to today's QBs, and McNabb does not hold his own in that light. He wasn't even a top 10 QB in 2009, which was "one of the best seasons of his career." He was a top 5 QB once in his entire career, in 2004 when he was throwing to TO. The only thing he has going for him is his low INT rate. It's just too bad he screws it up with his high fumbling rate.

But it isn't his fault, he hasn't had anything to work with throughout his entire career.

A big part of it is stats.. but if you want to go on merit, he took the Eagles to 8 postseason appearances in a span of 10 years, 4 straight division championships, 5 NFC championship games, and one super bowl. He's also a 6 time pro bowler and a NFC offensive player of the year. He also is the Eagles career leader in wins, completions, passing yards, and passing TD's, with a 2 to 1 TD/INT ratio.

He's also one of only 5 QB's ever to have over 30,000 yards passing and 3,000 yards rushing. His TD/INT ratio is seoncd best EVER behind only Tom Brady, he set the NFL all time record for consecutive completions with 24, was the first QB in history to throw for 30 TD's or more and 10 INT's or less, and has the thrid highest winning percentage among active QB's behind only Peyton and Brady.

Not bad for a non passer huh?

Not only all that success, but if you compare his stats to those of the modern era QB's in the HoF, you'll find alot of similarities.

 

[Cythim]

When did I call him a non passer? Stop trying to put words in my mouth.

 

[Cythim]

Not only all that success, but if you compare his stats to those of the modern era QB's in the HoF, you'll find alot of similarities.

That is the problem, he is putting up '90s numbers in an era that is much nicer to QBs and WRs. He is a smart QB and that kept his INT rate low, but that doesn't help his poor completion rate while running a WCO.

 

[Midswat]

I can't believe RtH is actually trying to convince people that McNabb is not on the decline.

Really?

 

[Midswat]

Players usually get into the Hall of Fame for two reasons:

1. They have memorable moments and a history of great performances in big games. See Lynn Swann or Joe Namath for an example.

2. They amass incredible statistics. See Dan Marino, Dan Fouts, etc.


McNabb has neither. In fact, you don't even want to look at his big game performances.

2001 NFC Title Game - three interceptions against the Rams, including a game-sealer on a drive late in the fourth that could've won the game.
2002 NFC Title Game - Three interceptions against the Buccaneers, including a pick-six to Ronde Barber late in the fourth on a drive that could've won the game.
2003 NFC Title Game - Three interceptions against the Panthers.
2004 Super Bowl - Three interceptions, and literally throwing up/choking in the huddle late in the fourth, while down 10 points. His receivers had to call plays for him.

And if you look at his statistics, consider that he's played in the same offensive system, under the same coach, for the entirity of his career (save 2010). Then compare his statistics to the Hall of Fame QB's that also played in the WCO.

You'll cease to be impressed.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

I can't believe RtH is actually trying to convince people that McNabb is not on the decline.

Really?

Someone show me some evidence that he's on the decline and i'll gladly take it into consideration.

"Did you see him play last year bra?!!" ..is not evidence of that btw.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Players usually get into the Hall of Fame for two reasons:

1. They have memorable moments and a history of great performances in big games. See Lynn Swann or Joe Namath for an example.

2. They amass incredible statistics. See Dan Marino, Dan Fouts, etc.


McNabb has neither. In fact, you don't even want to look at his big game performances.

2001 NFC Title Game - three interceptions against the Rams, including a game-sealer on a drive late in the fourth that could've won the game.
2002 NFC Title Game - Three interceptions against the Buccaneers, including a pick-six to Ronde Barber late in the fourth on a drive that could've won the game.
2003 NFC Title Game - Three interceptions against the Panthers.
2004 Super Bowl - Three interceptions, and literally throwing up/choking in the huddle late in the fourth, while down 10 points. His receivers had to call plays for him.

And if you look at his statistics, consider that he's played in the same offensive system, under the same coach, for the entirity of his career (save 2010). Then compare his statistics to the Hall of Fame QB's that also played in the WCO.

You'll cease to be impressed.

Compare McNabb's stats to those of Fouts.. then get back to me. Consider also that Fouts had 2 Hall of Fame WR's to throw to for a majority of his career as well, while McNabb had Owens for 20 games and then toiled with the James Thrash's and Todd Pinkston's of the world for the majority of his.

 

[Midswat]

Someone show me some evidence that he's on the decline and i'll gladly take it into consideration.

"Did you see him play last year bra?!!" ..is not evidence of that btw.

Well, last year, for one.

The fact that he's an athletic quarterback who was always most dangerous when improvising with his legs, and will be 35 come the season opener is another.

The fact that he's never been that great of a pocket passer, or really a cerebrial QB (what do OT mean?), is another.

He's on the decline. I'm not even going to argue this. It's like you're trying to tell me it's Saturday, when everyone else in the world knows its Monday.

 

[Midswat]

Compare McNabb's stats to those of Fouts.. then get back to me.

Dan Fouts played in the early 1970s to the mid-1980s. The NFL wasn't near as passer friendly. And Fouts also played in a much more vertical passing offense than the WCO.

Again, compare McNabb's numbers to other WCO QB's in the Hall.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Dan Fouts played in the early 1970s to the mid-1980s. The NFL wasn't near as passer friendly. And Fouts also played in a much more vertical passing offense than the WCO.

Again, compare McNabb's numbers to other WCO QB's in the Hall.

There will always be excuses, but when its all said and done, imo, McNabb will be considered in Hall talk for all his accomplishments i listed above.

Also, i've compared his stats with alot of Hall QB's and they are pretty damn similar if not better. Jim Kelly, Dan Fouts, Aikman, Warren Moon, etc..

 

[Midswat]

There will always be excuses, but when its all said and done, imo, McNabb will be considered in Hall talk for all his accomplishments i listed above.

Also, i've compared his stats with alot of Hall QB's and they are pretty damn similar. Jim Kelly, Dan Fouts, etc..

Compare him to WCO QB's.

You know, when time allows.

PS - He won't get into the Hall.

PSS - He's on the decline.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

..and actually, there's already been national talk of considering him for the Hall. Its not like im just pulling this out of my arse. Google McNabb - Hall of Fame and you'll see its a topic that's been discussed quite a bit. He has the credentials and the numbers to be close enough for consideration.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Compare him to WCO QB's.

You know, when time allows.

PS - He won't get into the Hall.

PSS - He's on the decline.

To be blunt, when considering QB's for the Hall, i do not buy that they consider what system the guy played in. They look at numbers and accomplishments.

He has both.

PSSS- Don't care what you're opinions of him are. They don't matter to the Hall committee either.

 

[Midswat]

..and actually, there's already been national talk of considering him for the Hall. Its not like im just pulling this out of my arse. Google McNabb - Hall of Fame and you'll see its a topic that's been discussed quite a bit. He has the credentials and the numbers to be close enough for consideration.

I never said he wouldn't get consideration. And I couldn't give a shit less about the media talking about him. He's been a media darling post Limbaugh anyway.

I said he wouldn't get in. Which, he won't.