Dez and DeMarco

[NoShame]

Maybe when you build a actual defense you can like, win a championship and stuff instead of just flash in the pan offensive stats. Just a thought. 20 other frikkin teams have managed to win Super Bowls since 1996 while we coddle offensive "stars" and deem them irreplaceable.

WTF are you even going on about? Yes I'd love to have a championship caliber defense. Any fan would.. That's not even a question. But you act like we're gonna build it overnight. The clock is ticking on both Romo and Witten. You do realize that right?

Also, name other offensive stars that were coddled and deemed irreplaceable since '96. First start with the players that some of us have mentioned in this thread. Good luck.

But, being in love with him doesn't cloud yours

Stating the obvious that Dez is a top 5 wr doesn't make me in love with him... Just means I have common sense.

First of all, last season was mostly luck. Dallas got the breaks on several fronts, injuries being one of the really big ones. It's still a mediocre team at best. You won't see that same kind of luck even if we keep the roster mostly intact. This is still, pretty much a 8-8 team.

But I've already said what I would do, that that is build a defense you can win championships with. Replace Murray with a young draft pick if you have to. Replace Dez? Why? As has been pointed out, other teams seem to win Lombardi trophies just fine without what's considered a "premier" wideout. Get some fucking D. Stop a opponent every now and then instead of worrying about outscoring them all.

Again, you all seem to think it's the end of the world if we lose both Dez and Murray. It's not.

Tell me how. Give examples. Free agents. Draft picks. Names. If it's so easy I want you to tell me how you're going to "reload" this defense in one offseason to become a championship caliber unit. Then I want you to name the players you're replacing Dez and DeMarco with. Still waiting.

 

[dbair1967]

Hey I have an idea.. Let's finally get the pieces to make this a Romo friendly offense creating one of the best offenses in the league only to let two of those pieces walk after their rookie deals. Not just any two pieces. Two of the top 5 players at their respective positions. A number 1 WR and one of the leagues very few feature backs. Because you know that's definitely gonna make us better!!!

This

 

[dbair1967]

First of all, last season was mostly luck. Dallas got the breaks on several fronts, injuries being one of the really big ones. It's still a mediocre team at best. You won't see that same kind of luck even if we keep the roster mostly intact. This is still, pretty much a 8-8 team.

Luck? WTF

It was a well coached team last year with an overpowering offense and a roster of high effort guys.

JFC man.

Again, you all seem to think it's the end of the world if we lose both Dez and Murray. It's not.

Of course it isn't the end of the world, but it would be a pretty significant step backward IMO. The offense with the people we have in place is absolutely one of the best in football because Dez and Murray are both excellent players, and in Bryant's case his enormous playmaking ability forces defenses to play him with 2 and sometimes even 3 guys. This has a dramatic impact on how much success other guys (including Murray) can have.

 

[cockstrong]

John Clayton is on the radio a lot here in Washington. He was just on a local show and said Dallas is going to offer DM 7-7.5 a year. Said that Indy will offer 8-9 and that DM will have a choice to make. Seattle hosts on a kick lately, saying if Lynch retires they can get DM. John shot them down, saying Lynch is going to wait until august to make a decision.

 

[Doomsday]

If it's so easy

No one ever said it was easy.

Also, name other offensive stars that were coddled

T.O., Barber, many others.

The clock is ticking on both Romo and Witten. You do realize that right?

Witten's been replaced, they just refuse to actually use, the replacements. Tony's got good years left. Yes the window is closing that is why they also need to start thinking about his replacement too.

Stating the obvious that Dez is a top 5 wr doesn't make me in love with him...

No, it just means you're aghast at any suggestion at all he might leave, like he's god or something.

It was a well coached team last year

allll righty then.

It was a LUCKY team last year. Particularly on the injury front. For many years Dallas has been one of the 20 or so teams that could go all the way at the beginning of the year. That's the nature of the NFL today - mediocrity rules. I bet you think that with everyone back and happy, Dallas goes 12-4 again next year. You've bought in. I haven't - I happen to remember 2007's 13-3 all too well and how everyone thought SOUP BOWWWW for 08. Next year the same good fortune won't be smiling, and it will still be basically the same mediocre team out there. Expect mediocre results.

The offense with the people we have in place is absolutely one of the best in football because Dez and Murray are both excellent players, and in Bryant's case his enormous playmaking ability forces defenses to play him with 2 and sometimes even 3 guys. This has a dramatic impact on how much success other guys (including Murray) can have.

It's not like Tony hasn't always had someone to throw to, before Dez arrived. Yes, I seem to remember he's really never had any trouble at all racking up great passing stats. He will continue to do so, with or without Dez.

Again I will repeat - it's nobody's FIRST choice to see Dez go, not even mine. But you all greatly overstate Dez's case and his importance. Just the very remote idea of him leaving causes conniption fits. Not for me.

If Dez is as all-world and as great as you all say, we wont be able to afford him. He will get huge offers we can't or won't match.

So, don't worry - he'll stay. Because he's not all that great and not at all irreplaceable.

Only thing really left to see now is how ugly he wants to make this. If he doesn't sign a long term deal which is still on the table, likely he will stay out of camp completely and we won't see him until week 1.

John Clayton is on the radio a lot here in Washington. He was just on a local show and said Dallas is going to offer DM 7-7.5 a year. Said that Indy will offer 8-9 and that DM will have a choice to make.

Murray is something of a enigma, clearly from all he's said he wants to stay in big D. But there will be a few teams make offers, of that I have little doubt.

 

[Midswat]

John Clayton is on the radio a lot here in Washington. He was just on a local show and said Dallas is going to offer DM 7-7.5 a year. Said that Indy will offer 8-9 and that DM will have a choice to make. Seattle hosts on a kick lately, saying if Lynch retires they can get DM. John shot them down, saying Lynch is going to wait until august to make a decision.

Interesting.

Choose the Colts, Murray. Indy is a beautiful city. Lots of married women you can bang.

 

[dbair1967]

Dooms, your post quality has taken a significant step back in this thread.

 

[cmd34]

Dooms, your post quality has taken a significant step back in this thread.

How could it possibly?

 

[Doomsday]

It might be reading comprehension that's regressing.

My preference would be for Murray and dez to stay. I've made that clear. But I've also made it clear, I'm not worried about it in the slightest if they don't. Most fanboys think it would be the end of the fucking world and panic at the mere suggestion we might lose them, especially dez. It's juvenile and silly.

As to Dallas being one of the 20 or so mediocre teams in the NFL? That's the norm, for the league. Any given 8-8 type team is only a few breaks here and there from being your 12-4 phenom. Last year was Dallas' year for that.

 

[dbair1967]

How could it possibly?

 

[peplaw06]

Murray, Witten, Romo and Garrett were at Duke Bball practice today...

 

[peplaw06]

State income tax is IN ADDITION to federal income tax. Federal income tax isn't the extra consideration. There are only three other states with NFL teams which have no state income tax. Some straw huh.

Texas also has a sales tax that some other states don't have.

What you think Dez and his agent aren't smart enough to understand this menial shit?

 

[peplaw06]

Maybe when you build a actual defense you can like, win a championship and stuff instead of just flash in the pan offensive stats. Just a thought. 20 other frikkin teams have managed to win Super Bowls since 1996 while we coddle offensive "stars" and deem them irreplaceable.

Yeah, I agree... we need defense. We don't need to be using premium draft picks to replace what we lose on offense.

 

[Doomsday]

Yeah, I agree... we need defense. We don't need to be using premium draft picks to replace what we lose on offense.

IF you lose them, you use the compensation. For whatever you want.

 

[Doomsday]

Texas also has a sales tax that some other states don't have.

NO states without sales tax, have a NFL team. So, there's that.

 

[peplaw06]

We're not getting compensation for losing Murray this year. And if someone signs Dez, it's two firsts, but it's one this year and one next.

If we lose both, then we have huge holes on offense... you're probably looking at needing to draft a WR and RB in the first 4 rounds of the draft if you want to compete next year. That takes away two premium opportunities to bring in some talent for the defense on a rookie deal (on the cheap). Means you're more likely to be forced to spend some of the cap savings money on a premium to high-level free agent... probably WR, RB, or DL.

You certainly don't want to be going into 2015 with T Will, Bease, Street, Randle and Dunbar having to carry the load.

 

[Doomsday]

We're not getting compensation for losing Murray this year.

No, it's what, a 3rd round pick next year?

And if someone signs Dez, it's two firsts, but it's one this year and one next.

If we lose both, then we have huge holes on offense... you're probably looking at needing to draft a WR and RB in the first 4 rounds of the draft if you want to compete next year. That takes away two premium opportunities to bring in some talent for the defense on a rookie deal (on the cheap). Means you're more likely to be forced to spend some of the cap savings money on a premium to high-level free agent... probably WR, RB, or DL. You certainly don't want to be going into 2015 with T Will, Bease, Street, Randle and Dunbar having to carry the load.

Might be surprisingly good. Would never know until it is tried.

Of course, this is not preferred. But I'm pretty sure you're not going to see Murray do a repeat of last year's performance in any event. So the only REAL loss, would be dez.

Meanwhile the NE and Seattle teams of the world just keep winning Lombardis, without all the "stars" we can't seem to field a team, without.

 

[peplaw06]

No, it's what, a 3rd round pick next year?

Maybe... depends on a whole host of factors. But if you think he'd be good enough to warrant a 3rd round compensatory pick, then he'd have had another pretty damn good year, and I'd rather him do that with a star on his hat.

Might be surprisingly good. Would never know until it is tried.

Of course, this is not preferred. But I'm pretty sure you're not going to see Murray do a repeat of last year's performance in any event. So the only REAL loss, would be dez.

You're not going out on a limb saying Murray probably won't repeat last year's career year stats. But I could easily see him doing 1,500+ yards rushing behind this line again, assuming he's healthy. If we don't have him, we'll be scrambling to find a thousand yard rusher.

Meanwhile the NE and Seattle teams of the world just keep winning Lombardis, without all the "stars" we can't seem to field a team, without.

You mean like Tom Brady, Russell Wilson, Marshawn Lynch, Rob Gronkowski, and multiple defensive stars that we don't have?

 

[Midswat]

I don't think the market for RBs will dictate Murray getting the big time deal needed for us to net a 4th.

 

[Doomsday]

You mean like Tom Brady, Russell Wilson, Marshawn Lynch, Rob Gronkowski, and multiple defensive stars that we don't have?

We have Romo and Witten. That negates the Brady, Gronk and Wilson part of your list. Where's all the all star WRs I'm told a team can't win without? Oh right, they don't seem to accompany teams what win the recent Super Bowls.

If we don't have him, we'll be scrambling to find a thousand yard rusher.

Ya just plug the next guy in, rookie or not. We can take all the yards Murray left out on the field by not being nifty, add the power and speed of the fresh legs of a cheap rookie, and have your 1000 by week 10. But without the costly fumbles.