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When you first came to this board, you were openly lobbying for Romo to be released. The reasons why you did that (back, poor play, the choking allegations)
When i first came here, it was before the back issues - I was still stinging from his massive contract, if you'll recall.
Oh look, you've changed positions again and brought in a new strawman. No one is saying he's Emmitt.
No change in position at all. Murray is not nifty, Emmitt was. See? So if you are saying Murray is nifty, clearly you're comparing him to Emmitt.
if we lose Dez and Murray, why don't you get specific about your plan for replacing them? This has been asked of you a number of times, but you keep ignoring it. Get specific. Who's replacing Murray and Dez if we lose them?
I've said, i don't really care exactly WHO replaces them, i fully expect people we already have to step up and fill the role. That's what pro football players DO.
then when he played like an MVP, you couldn't maintain your ludicrous opinions on him any more. He made you look like an ass. And then you started heaping faint praise on him for gutting out the back issues, with the backhanded compliments... saying he was successful but implying that it was only because the coaching staff masked the back issues with using Murray as a workhorse. Even when you gave him credit, you alluded to his great play being due to other people's performance and decisions.
There's not any question that suddenly finding a running game helps a floundering but high passing stats quarterback. Elway can tell you all about that. Less almost always IS more, in this regard. That's no insult to Romo, or Elway. And there's also no question the type of back surgery Tony had, changes you. Changes everything you do and in fact, how you even think about everything you do. That can be a big positive or a big negative, and Tony was able to make it a big positive. And with a good offseason of healing and rehab, and rest, I expect him to be even better physically then he was last year and also expect him to be able to play at a high level for at least a couple years, if not more.

I'm not exaggerating the reactions I've seen here to even the very suggestion we might lose both Dez and Murray. When people throw the "rebuilding" tag around, they ARE in a panic and having a conniption. Their palms sweat, their eyes blink uncontrollably, their heart rate skyrockets - at the mere suggestion. It's irrational fear.

And there's been no whining, it's been chuckling.

In the highly unlikely event we lose both Dez and Murray, we ain't gonna die. There won't be floods or famine. We'll just plug in the next guys and move on.
 

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But really, it's no surprise and shouldn't be, that when Romo IMPROVED and stopped making regular bonehead decisions and stupid acts, I climbed down off his ass a little.

Sort of seemed to correspond with his dropping both golf and dating celebrity hoes. Almost like that back surgery made him grow the fuck up and take this Cowboys Quarterbacking thing seriously.

He got better. And I think his best is yet to come.
 
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When i first came here, it was before the back issues - I was still stinging from his massive contract, if you'll recall.
Um, no... I don't remember you posting at all during the 2013 season. He had signed his extension before that season and had both of his back surgeries during 2013.

No change in position at all. Murray is not nifty, Emmitt was. See? So if you are saying Murray is nifty, clearly you're comparing him to Emmitt.
Your original position was that he wasn't nifty. Then it changed to he was more bullish than nifty. Forgetting the fact that this is all subjective bullshit, there's no question he's at least somewhat nifty, or he wouldn't be gaining the extra yards and moving just well enough so he doesn't take direct hits. Is he Emmitt shifty? Again, subjective bullshit... but no one is making the comparison between him and Emmitt here but you. I NEVER compared him to Emmitt, which is the strawman you pulled out... again.

I've said, i don't really care exactly WHO replaces them, i fully expect people we already have to step up and fill the role. That's what pro football players DO.
So you think T-Will, Street, Beasley will step up and replace Dez's production, or that Randle and Dunbar will replace Murray's production? LOL

It's just as I suspected, you haven't got the foggiest idea what could replace these guys production. You'd hope spit and duct tape would keep it afloat.

There's not any question that suddenly finding a running game helps a floundering but high passing stats quarterback. Elway can tell you all about that. Less almost always IS more, in this regard. That's no insult to Romo, or Elway. And there's also no question the type of back surgery Tony had, changes you. Changes everything you do and in fact, how you even think about everything you do. That can be a big positive or a big negative, and Tony was able to make it a big positive. And with a good offseason of healing and rehab, and rest, I expect him to be even better physically then he was last year and also expect him to be able to play at a high level for at least a couple years, if not more.
You don't know what Romo thought, or if he changed. All you see is we have a running game and a RB who gets 400+ carries when we didn't have that before, and you assume the only possible explanation is that the coaching staff was compensating for something (Romo's back). And you assume that he had to change, because if he didn't change, then it would mean you were wrong about him before... and we all know you're not going to admit to that.

How about it just helps the offense in general to commit to the running game? How about taking some of the pressure of the QB to win games by himself will help the team? You're seeing the effects, but you're guessing on the cuase, and you're pretty much wrong on all counts.

And let me see if I can get your position straight... After this career year from our star RB, and seeing season after season where the team didn't have a workhorse RB, and, as you say, took a "floundering but high passing stats QB" and turned him into a high level QB, you are basically indifferent as to whether said RB returns? You'll take Joe Randle as his replacement? The one who beat his girlfriend, stole cologne and underwear... you generally like that WR you say is a piece of shit.... It's like you just say shit for the sake of saying shit. There's more holes in your logic than there are in a screen door.

I'm not exaggerating the reactions I've seen here to even the very suggestion we might lose both Dez and Murray. When people throw the "rebuilding" tag around, they ARE in a panic and having a conniption. Their palms sweat, their eyes blink uncontrollably, their heart rate skyrockets - at the mere suggestion. It's irrational fear.

In the highly unlikely event we lose both Dez and Murray, we ain't gonna die. There won't be floods or famine. We'll just plug in the next guys and move on.
LOL... that's not an exagerration? You can literally see people's physical reaction... and it inludes seizures, panic attacks, sweaty palms, uncontrollable eye blinking... YOU FACKING KNOW THAR HEART RATES!!!???!?!

LOL ok dude
 
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But really, it's no surprise and shouldn't be, that when Romo IMPROVED and stopped making regular bonehead decisions and stupid acts, I climbed down off his ass a little.

Sort of seemed to correspond with his dropping both golf and dating celebrity hoes. Almost like that back surgery made him grow the fuck up and take this Cowboys Quarterbacking thing seriously.

He got better. And I think his best is yet to come.
See... that's the old Doomsday coming out again. Douche canoe.
 

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See... that's the old Doomsday coming out again. Douche canoe.
There's some question Romo got better, improved?
All you see is we have a running game and a RB who gets 400+ carries when we didn't have that before, and you assume the only possible explanation is that the coaching staff was compensating for something (Romo's back).
Wait - suddenly we doubt Garrett was pretty much forced to stick with the run in order to help take some of the pressure off Tony, due to his back issues? I was pretty sure this was a consensus - that Garrett didn't suddenly wake up one day understanding offensive football or have it absorb by osmosis by sleeping with Vince Lombardi's playbook under his pillow. He woke up one day with a partially crippled quarterback who really really needed the help he should have had years ago.
And let me see if I can get your position straight... After this career year from our star RB, and seeing season after season where the team didn't have a workhorse RB, and, as you say, took a "floundering but high passing stats QB" and turned him into a high level QB, you are basically indifferent as to whether said RB returns?
I guess you missed the many times I have said it is PREFERRED if he returns. You're confusing my total lack of conniption fit at the idea he might leave, with indifference.
You'll take Joe Randle as his replacement? The one who beat his girlfriend, stole cologne and underwear... you generally like that WR you say is a piece of shit.... It's like you just say shit for the sake of saying shit. There's more holes in your logic than there are in a screen door.
LOL You played the RANDLE card in defense of Dez!

Take pity on me though, I have been defrosting my freezer for the last 3 hours since it hasn't been done in at least four years. Wouldn't wish that on a Eagles fan even.
 

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Ha I like how whenever Doomsday gets in argument he starts by saying one thing only to get proven wrong and then slowly starts spinning his argument into something else. Like bro, are you fucking serious? LOL we all read the shit. It's right there. You can spin spin spin all you want. Most of us here have been around message boards long enough to know wtf is going on. Just stop embarrassing yourself. Be man enough to stand behind your original opinion(which is 9 times out of 10 you talking out of your ass). Don't be a fag.
 

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Ha I like how whenever Doomsday gets in argument he starts by saying one thing only to get proven wrong and then slowly starts spinning his argument into something else. Like bro, are you fucking serious? we all read the shit. It's right there. You can spin spin spin all you want. Most of us here have been around message boards long enough to know wtf is going on. Just stop embarrassing yourself. Be man enough to stand behind your original opinion(which is 9 times out of 10 you talking out of your ass). Don't be a fag.
It's always fun to just ignore what people actually say, then claim they said something completely opposite. It never works though. But it's amusing.

As to this, what I said here:

And there's also no question the type of back surgery Tony had, changes you. Changes everything you do and in fact, how you even think about everything you do.
Isn't my opinion, it is pretty much straight out of Romo's own mouth. He said he even had to change the way he gets in and out of bed. So no although I am not a mind reader and do not know what Tony thinks or feels, I am capable of taking his word for it.

The surgery changed him, there is no debate about that. He is more deliberate and uses his head more. He's alot less impulsive. And it shows. He got better - even HE says so.
 
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There's some question Romo got better, improved?
Not what I was referring to... I was referring to you taking the ridiculous shots about his golf playing and dating life, like those have anything to do with his performance.

And really, I don't think he showed any kind of marked improvement... He's had better statistical seasons than he had this year, so it's not like you can argue he played head and shoulders above his previous seasons' performances. His INT rate has been below 3% every year since 2008, save one. He had the highest completion percentage of his career at 69.9%, but it was only 0.4% better than his previous best in 2010. And every year of his career has been between 63 and 69% completion percentage, except 2008, which was 61.3%. His QB rating is always over 90, and while this was the highest of his career by a long shot, it's not because he threw more TDs or had fewer INTs than any other year. He's had prior years where he had more TDs and he's thrown 10 or fewer INTs every year since 2008, except for 2012.

So no, I don't see a marked improvement of Romo's abilities. He's always been this good. He may have gotten marginally better in 2014, but IMO the difference this season is he wasn't asked to carry the entire load... which is how it's SUPPOSED to be. He's not supposed to have to do it by himself.

Wait - suddenly we doubt Garrett was pretty much forced to stick with the run in order to help take some of the pressure off Tony, due to his back issues? I was pretty sure this was a consensus - that Garrett didn't suddenly wake up one day understanding offensive football or have it absorb by osmosis by sleeping with Vince Lombardi's playbook under his pillow. He woke up one day with a partially crippled quarterback who really really needed the help he should have had years ago.
I think Garrett had an epiphany after the Green Bay loss (way too late), that running the ball was a strength of this team, and we needed to lean on it to win games. If you go back and look at the stats from 2013, in the first 10 games we ran for over 100 yards once (against St Louis), then in the last 6 games, we ran the ball for more than 100 yards in 4 out of 5 games that Romo played (Romo was out for the finale vs. Philly). In 2014 we ran the ball over 100 yards in 14 out of 16 regular season games. Going back to 2012, we eclipsed 100 yards rushing 5 out of 16 games.

I think Romo's back issues led to more running in probably the first 4-6 games of 2014, but they were more confident in him holding up after that. If the commitment to the run were due solely to Romo's back issues, then it either would have started in earnest at the beginning of 2013 (after his cyst removal surgery), or only at the beginning of 2014 (after his disc surgery). But that's not the correlation... it was just the realization that running the ball solves this team's problems, and takes the pressure off Romo to do it by himself. And a lot of it goes back to building the OL. That didn't happen overnight... we began devoting premium picks to the OL back in 2011 when we picked Tyron. Again, not a correlation to Romo's back. It continued by picking Frederick in 2013 (before Romo's back issues). The Martin pick wasn't made because of Romo's back issues either... that wasn't the plan in that draft, and he fell in our lap.

I guess you missed the many times I have said it is PREFERRED if he returns. You're confusing my total lack of conniption fit at the idea he might leave, with indifference.
Again, you editorialize on others' positions and cry when your stance is editorialized.

LOL You played the RANDLE card in defense of Dez!
I didn't play the Randle card... you did. And I wasn't defending Dez, I was pointing out your hypocrisy.

Take pity on me though,
Oh, I'm way ahead of you... I already pity you.
 
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The surgery changed him, there is no debate about that. He is more deliberate and uses his head more. He's alot less impulsive. And it shows. He got better - even HE says so.
If there's no debate, it should be easy enough to prove it. You see how I broke it down statistically... why don't you do that. Show the stats that prove his back is THE REASON he was better.

Romo's never said the back surgery made him more deliberate, less impulsive, or made him use his head more.
 

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Romo's never said the back surgery made him more deliberate, less impulsive, or made him use his head more.
That's my own observation that comes from, observation. However he DID say he is more deliberate, while talking about the subject of his back.

He is a better QB now, upstairs. And will get even better I predict, with a good offseason of R&R for his back. And proper healing.
I didn't play the Randle card... you did.
I never mentioned Randle. You mentioned him as the "mom the other kid is bad too" defense of Dez.
Show the stats that prove his back is THE REASON he was better.
I take his word for it and I see it in how he plays, decision making is better and alot less impulsive. Is this a product of their taking away his "check with me" stuff? He is a THINKER back there now.
 

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doomsday owning the shit out of peplaw
Bull Butter. Dude is a lawyer. He eats breakfast 300 yards from judges who are trained to hold him in contempt. You need him in that court, you want him in that court. Message board debates are just a fun hobby for him - I'm just his most recent but well worn kicktoy.
 
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That's my own observation that comes from, observation.
Observation that comes from observation... that's brilliant.

However he DID say he is more deliberate, while talking about the subject of his back.
Link?

He is a better QB now, upstairs. And will get even better I predict, with a good offseason of R&R for his back. And proper healing.
Ha... sure get out in front of that one so you can take credit there too. He's improved consistently over the course of his career. You're just late to the party.

I never mentioned Randle. You mentioned him as the "mom the other kid is bad too" defense of Dez.
You said you expected players we already had to step up and replace Dez and Murray's production. Lemme guess... you didn't specifically say Randle, so we should have known you exempted him from that statement. And no, I didn't bring him up to defend Dez. I brought him up because you seemed A OK with expecting "players we already have to step up," and Randle is a more contemptible human being than the guy you call a piece of shit. That's called hypocrisy bud.

I take his word for it and I see it in how he plays, decision making is better and alot less impulsive. Is this a product of their taking away his "check with me" stuff? He is a THINKER back there now.
Do you even watch the games? He still does a lot of checking at the line... If his decision making is so much better, and it's a recent development, why don't the stats bear that out?

I should have known you'd cop out to the statistical argument. You've got nothing in the way of analysis... you're just a cliche machine.
 
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