Dez and DeMarco

[Doomsday]

If his decision making is so much better, and it's a recent development, why don't the stats bear that out?

He's ever had a QB rating for the season, this high?

He still does a lot of checking at the line...

Not anything to the level he used to do.

You just don't want to ever acknowledge it was Romo's back surgery which drove everything you saw on offense last year. From the 400 carries for Murray, to the much better decision making by Romo.

You said you expected players we already had to step up and replace Dez and Murray's production. Lemme guess... you didn't specifically say Randle, so we should have known you exempted him from that statement. And no, I didn't bring him up to defend Dez. I brought him up because you seemed A OK with expecting "players we already have to step up," and Randle is a more contemptible human being than the guy you call a piece of shit. That's called hypocrisy bud.

Yeah, I never mentioned Randle because I really don't expect him to be on the roster. You brought him up to defend a puke who beat up his mom.

Link?

That's been linked here before, the same article where he says he even had to change the way he gets in and out of bed. Have you thought about that statement, by the way? Know much about lower disk surgery and what it does to people?

Ha... sure get out in front of that one so you can take credit there too.

I've been almost by myself out here in the innertubes for at least a couple of months, saying Romo's back issues will be much better with a good offseason of recovery, rest and healing. Not trying to take credit for anything. Just stating what I think about it. He probably wasn't physically ready to play last year. He definitely should be, next year.

He's improved consistently over the course of his career. You're just late to the party.

You don't think he was any different at all, last year. Couldn't see the big change everyone else does. Refuse to acknowledge it was his back issues which drove everything we saw last year. That's rose colored glasses Pal, and hero worship all rolled into one.

 

[cockstrong]

doomsday owning the shit out of peplaw

Bobs mom is still a whore. trust me

 

[peplaw06]

He's ever had a QB rating for the season, this high?

I already told you it was his highest rated year.

Not anything to the level he used to do.

Prove it with something other than anecdotal bullshit.

You just don't want to ever acknowledge it was Romo's back surgery which drove everything you saw on offense last year. From the 400 carries for Murray, to the much better decision making by Romo.

Because I don't believe that all we saw last year was solely to compensate for Romo's back. That's overly simplistic and naive.

Yeah, I never mentioned Randle because I really don't expect him to be on the roster. You brought him up to defend a puke who beat up his mom.

So then you think it's Dunbar alone who steps up and replaces Murray's production. You just keep digging deeper and deeper.

That's been linked here before, the same article where he says he even had to change the way he gets in and out of bed. Have you thought about that statement, by the way? Know much about lower disk surgery and what it does to people?

This is what you do when challenged... deflect and spin the argument the way you want it. Why don't you just find the article? I don't doubt that after surgery he had difficulty getting in and out of bed... I just don't make the logical leap that he must therefore have changed everything about his game, or had some kind of epiphany that made him suddenly make all the right decisions instead of the wrong ones... you seem to think the back surgery alone made him a completely different QB, and the stats don't bear that out.

I've been almost by myself out here in the innertubes for at least a couple of months, saying Romo's back issues will be much better with a good offseason of recovery, rest and healing. Not trying to take credit for anything. Just stating what I think about it. He probably wasn't physically ready to play last year. He definitely should be, next year.
You don't think he was any different at all, last year. Couldn't see the big change everyone else does. Refuse to acknowledge it was his back issues which drove everything we saw last year. That's rose colored glasses Pal, and hero worship all rolled into one.

You're not breaking any ground by saying Romo's back will be better next season with some rest. That goes without saying.

And surprise, you're misstating my position again. I don't think he was a markedly different player than he has always been. I think he's shown areas of improvement pretty much every year. I think the difference this year was he had a running game to lean on, which took pressure off of him, and he didn't have to force the issue as much. It's not like everything else on the offense was exactly the same and he just decided, "hey, I'll be more careful with the ball now, cuz my back yo." We had an offense where we could get the lead and could win some games without him having to pull a rabbit out of his hat in the 4th quarter. Not that he's incapable of doing that, but you're not going to win all of those types of games.

The back issues weren't the cause of the change in this offense... it was just one of the many concerns that was alleviated by the way the offense ran.

 

[Doomsday]

And surprise, you're misstating my position again. I don't think he was a markedly different player than he has always been. I think he's shown areas of improvement pretty much every year. I think the difference this year was he had a running game to lean on, which took pressure off of him, and he didn't have to force the issue as much. It's not like everything else on the offense was exactly the same and he just decided, "hey, I'll be more careful with the ball now, cuz my back yo." We had an offense where we could get the lead and could win some games without him having to pull a rabbit out of his hat in the 4th quarter. Not that he's incapable of doing that, but you're not going to win all of those types of games.

The back issues weren't the cause of the change in this offense... it was just one of the many concerns that was alleviated by the way the offense ran.

I didn't misstate your position at all, I merely articulated it in one sentence instead of a paragraph. But definitely here is our main disagreement. I believe everything we saw last year especially the sudden devotion to the running game, was due mainly to Tony's back troubles. You seem to believe it was just providence, or some shit. I say that because I refuse to believe you think it was some Redball plan all along to run the ball twice as much as he ever has before.

It sure as hell wasn't a sudden philosophy change on the part of Garrett. Necessity was the mother.

You seem to dismiss how really really bad and dismal, Tony looked and was early in the season when it was very clear he wasn't the same guy we'd known. You seem to forget how horrible he was on Thanksgiving, and how he said after the game he hadn't taken a pain shot. I don't dismiss it and haven't forgotten it and didn't while it was happening. And at the time it seemed pretty obvious to all, anyway. I was far from alone in that observation.

The pain and delicate nature of the surgery injury slowed down his body, made him ignore instinct, and therefore made him a better decision maker. Getting in and out of bed is a good example of that - things he would do automatically almost from muscle memory had to be changed. And that's everything not just bed mechanics. This type of invasive surgery screws up everything. But it makes you think before you act.

You don't believe it and that's okay, but it is chronicled and is a fact his back gave him problems and forced him to change everything.

The 34-year-old Romo played poorly the first two games of the season as he recovered from his second back surgery in a year. He looked old and slow, his passes lacked snap and he struggled to move in the pocket.

As he prepared for the third game of the season against the St. Louis Rams, Romo started using each Wednesday to do back-strengthening exercises instead of practicing.

And there WAS tons of this stuff out there starting in camp and on through at least the first half of the season, but today it's pretty hard to find. But here's a July 2014 example, where he talks (almost) candidly about the issues. He said he would never be the same as he once was. And he's not, but he is a better quarterback as a result.

Carrot Top of course knew all of this and more, in advance and THIS was the reason for the sudden devotion to the running game. And that sudden devotion, helped everything else like it always does, every time it is tried.

We don't agree and that's fine. Just surprised you didn't have anything to say about this starting week one, when I was saying all of this then too.

 

[peplaw06]

So you'll give Garrett credit for recognizing that we had to run the ball in order to protect Romo's back, but you won't entertain the idea that maybe they just decided running the ball was a strength of this team? That makes no sense.

The team started running the ball better before the last back surgery. They realized that and just kept doing it. One of the many side effects of a strong running game was that it kept some heat of our QB who had an iffy back.

You're confusing the cause and the effect.

 

[cockstrong]

Murray deletes Dallas out of BIO & Cowboys Stuff from his Twitter account

 

[dbair1967]

So according to the NFL Reporting Experts, Demarco "might be resigning with Dallas" or "Murray might be leaving Dallas"

Amazing stuff there.

 

[peplaw06]

Bob Sturm ‏@SportsSturm 26m26 minutes ago
“@tweetinomglol: so we are balking at giving Demarco Jeremy Parnell money?” >> that is one effective way at viewing this.

 

[dbair1967]

Honestly nobody knows what they've offered or where they are drawing the line.

It does appear that at least initially, they've decided on a number they think they can afford and they've stuck to it. If thats true then they should be commended for that. I've always said I think keeping him is the best option for the team but not at ANY cost.