Dez and DeMarco

[ZeroClub]

Given that Romo doesn't have but a few more seasons left in him and given that he and Dez are now very much on the same page, I'd try to keep the two together for the next few years.

I hope the team can re-sign Free. I'm o.k. with Murray signing elsewhere.

 

[bbgun]

I love me some Romo but he's no Brady. And I think we can both agree that Garrett is no Belichik.

True, but he was a near MVP last year and it's not preposterous to claim that he'd have as much success with Gronk, LaFell, Welker and Edelman as Brady did. The Seahawks are another team that thrives without a true #1 like Dez. There's more than one way to skin a cat.

 

[ThoughtExperiment]

But I'd say that if Seattle has a true top playmaking WR like Dez, they win easily and that Superbowl never comes down to one play. Same for NE, who might have one more Superbowl.

 

[bbgun]

Dez doesn't always dominate. He was shut down by a mere rookie in the loss to the Skins, and was more or less a no-show in the GB game (3 catches for 38 yards) before the controversial play. Asserting that he'd deliver a "championship" to this or that team is very debatable and ultimately unprovable.

 

[ThoughtExperiment]

Well of course it's unprovable. It's an opinion on a hypothetical.

But Dez is one of the rare WRs who does significantly alter the way defenses play, which opens up other things. I don't think that's in question.

 

[bbgun]

Well of course it's unprovable.

it is if we let him go and he delivers a championship to an unknown team

 

[Doomsday]

Given that Romo doesn't have but a few more seasons left in him and given that he and Dez are now very much on the same page, I'd try to keep the two together for the next few years.

And this is a good point but again, let's all remember why we're here. He wouldn't sign. A offer was made, he's holding out. Was it a fair offer? I have to believe it was, as much as the Joneses love Dez.

 

[ThoughtExperiment]

"Fair" is always subjective, but the numbers that have come out weren't up to par for what a WR of his caliber deserves, and I don't blame him for turning it down.

 

[peplaw06]

And this is a good point but again, let's all remember why we're here. He wouldn't sign. A offer was made, he's holding out. Was it a fair offer? I have to believe it was, as much as the Joneses love Dez.

You act like he should just sign whatever offer is given to him... just not reality. They just gave the slot WR 7 mil guaranteed. If they were offering Dez 13 mil guaranteed, as has been rumored, that's a friggin joke and not "fair" at all.

These players are ultimately screwed by non-guaranteed contracts, and I don't fault any player for trying to get all the money he thinks he's worth, whether I'm a fan of his current team or not.

 

[Doomsday]

These players are ultimately screwed by non-guaranteed contracts, and I don't fault any player for trying to get all the money he thinks he's worth, whether I'm a fan of his current team or not.

More power to him then when he signs with the Raid-aas and half of it goes to the state for taxes.

No state income tax in Texas. Might make rumored offers LOOK small.

 

[Everlastingxxx]

We have Dez for another season, thats good news! I think Jerry and Stephen are playing their cards right. Cant just pay these dudes crazy contracts. It has to be something fair. I think Dez is making a mistake with his choice of agents. Get your guaranteed money!

 

[Doomsday]

We have Dez for another season, thats good news! I think Jerry and Stephen are playing their cards right. Cant just pay these dudes crazy contracts. It has to be something fair. I think Dez is making a mistake with his choice of agents. Get your guaranteed money!

That's if someone else doesn't come along and make him a offer we can't or won't match.

But the thing is, until he signs that tender he doesn't have to go to OTAs, training camp, and doesn't even have to sign at all until week 10 and still gets the full amount of the tender.

So, if he stays we'll see him week one but likely not before that. He could really make it ugly. I doubt he will skip any games though, that's his paycheck every week.

 

[dbair1967]

We're a better team if we go into next year with both Dez and Murray in our uniform.

Losing one or both creates major holes that need to be filled, and that means using resources to replace them instead of addressing other areas of major concern (mainly all on defense, though adding another quality talent on the OL wouldn't be a bad move either)

I have never been a proponent of signing Murray at any cost, but assuming we don't have to overpay to keep him or jack up our cap, keeping him makes sense.

 

[Doomsday]

Losing one or both creates major holes that need to be filled, and that means using resources to replace them instead of addressing other areas of major concern

Not instead of. Using resources that would have been used, signing them. And getting resources, in the form of two #1 picks and a #3 as compensation.

Sure, it's all feely good to have them both back. But if not, it's not a disaster and it's not a rebuild.

 

[dbair1967]

You cant tell me where those picks are. I doubt any team in the top-10 of this draft is giving up two #1's to acquire Dez. If a team in the 20's or 30's is wanting to do it, that's a loser for us. Lets say its Seattle (which I don't think is unrealistic). They pick 31st this yr and will almost assuredly be picking in the mid to late 20's (if not the 30's) again next year. We're essentially getting two 2nd rd picks for one of the best players in the league. That's a LOSER

As for Murray, where does anyone get the idea we'd get a 3rd as a comp pick for him? That's pure speculation right now. Its based on a formula (net gain vs net lost, along with contract amount etc etc). Its HIGHLY unlikely we're signing nobody of consequence, and its also HIGHLY unlikely that Murray is gonna get 9-10 mils per year or something. Even IF we got a 3rd, it wouldn't be until 2016.

Next (future) years picks are always valued as a round less than this years picks. So basically you seem to think that getting a couple 2nds and a 4th for two of the best players in football is a good idea.

Sorry, I don't.

 

[Doomsday]

Next (future) years picks are always valued as a round less than this years picks. So basically you seem to think that getting a couple 2nds and a 4th for two of the best players in football is a good idea.

I didn't say anywhere that it is a good idea. It's not anyone's first choice. I merely pointed out your hyperbole on saying we would use resources replacing them INSTEAD of on other things we need. You get compensated for them. And you likely save a buttload of dinero. It's not the end of the fucking world if both Dez and Demarco leave.

Two 1st round picks can be traded ya know. Yes it does depend on where they are but you never know, a Seattle for example might go 3-13 next year.

If we're gonna lose them, hell yes gimme the picks.

I doubt any team in the top-10 of this draft is giving up two #1's to acquire Dez.

If he's sooooo fucking great as all the enamored homers say, why not?

 

[NoShame]

Some of us don't mind seeing a immature dickhead who beat up his mom go to another team and us getting two #1 picks as compensation. Especially since said dickhead didn't want to play nice and sign a fucking contract. You don't remember why we are here? Yeah, it is because he didn't want to sign. Had he signed there wouldn't be any conversation about it.

Ah so now it makes sense... You don't like Dez. It's clouding your vision and making you sound like you don't have a clue.

And btw we're at this point because of both parties. Dez wants more. Dallas wants to pay less. No agreement. That doesn't make it solely on Dez.

Replacing two players isn't a rebuild.

No. You don't get out of it that easy. Give me details on your "reload". Explain to me how you're going to replace both Dez and Murray and field a team comparable to last season. I'll wait.

 

[peplaw06]

More power to him then when he signs with the Raid-aas and half of it goes to the state for taxes.

No state income tax in Texas. Might make rumored offers LOOK small.

Now you're just grasping at straws. Texas isn't the only state with advantageous state tax laws. He's going to be in the 40% federal tax bracket no matter where he lives.

 

[NoShame]

Hey I have an idea.. Let's finally get the pieces to make this a Romo friendly offense creating one of the best offenses in the league only to let two of those pieces walk after their rookie deals. Not just any two pieces. Two of the top 5 players at their respective positions. A number 1 WR and one of the leagues very few feature backs. Because you know that's definitely gonna make us better!!!

 

[Doomsday]

Hey I have an idea.. Let's finally get the pieces to make this a Romo friendly offense creating one of the best offenses in the league only to let two of those pieces walk after their rookie deals. Not just any two pieces. Two of the top 5 players at their respective positions. A number 1 WR and one of the leagues very few feature backs. Because you know that's definitely gonna make us better!!!

Maybe when you build a actual defense you can like, win a championship and stuff instead of just flash in the pan offensive stats. Just a thought. 20 other frikkin teams have managed to win Super Bowls since 1996 while we coddle offensive "stars" and deem them irreplaceable.

Ah so now it makes sense... You don't like Dez. It's clouding your vision and making you sound like you don't have a clue.

But, being in love with him doesn't cloud yours.

Texas isn't the only state with advantageous state tax laws. He's going to be in the 40% federal tax bracket no matter where he lives.

State income tax is IN ADDITION to federal income tax. Federal income tax isn't the extra consideration. There are only three other states with NFL teams which have no state income tax. Some straw huh.

No. You don't get out of it that easy. Give me details on your "reload". Explain to me how you're going to replace both Dez and Murray and field a team comparable to last season. I'll wait.

First of all, last season was mostly luck. Dallas got the breaks on several fronts, injuries being one of the really big ones. It's still a mediocre team at best. You won't see that same kind of luck even if we keep the roster mostly intact. This is still, pretty much a 8-8 team.

But I've already said what I would do, that that is build a defense you can win championships with. Replace Murray with a young draft pick if you have to. Replace Dez? Why? As has been pointed out, other teams seem to win Lombardi trophies just fine without what's considered a "premier" wideout. Get some fucking D. Stop a opponent every now and then instead of worrying about outscoring them all.

Again, you all seem to think it's the end of the world if we lose both Dez and Murray. It's not.