Cowboys owner Jones on coaches' influence on player evaluation: 'If it got down to it

[Bob Sacamano]

lol and I thought noone would be on this roster if Garrett didn't approve of it??? I can't believe I bought into that shit. Just more of the same 'ole, I guess.

 

[Sheik]

FIGUREHEAD

 

[jiggyfly]

lol and I thought noone would be on this roster if Garrett didn't approve of it??? I can't believe I bought into that shit. Just more of the same 'ole, I guess.

Why should Garret be given that much power?

This is the same guy who went to bat for Brad Johnson and Marion Barber when both were looking very washed up.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Why should Garret be given that much power?

This is the same guy who went to bat for Brad Johnson and Marion Barber when both were looking very washed up.

Idk, ask Jerry. He said it. Er, lied about it.

 

[jiggyfly]

Idk, ask Jerry. He said it. Er, lied about it.

There is a difference in going with your scouts over the coaches and not having a player on the roster the coach does not want.

But let me stop because I know the next step is to claim I am backing Jerry and thinks he is a good GM.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

There is a difference in going with your scouts over the coaches and not having a player on the roster the coach does not want.

But let me stop because I know the next step is to claim I am backing Jerry and thinks he is a good GM.

Yes, that would be a determining factor if there was a valid reason for going with your scouts over your coaches, other than, "hey, they're scouts!".

And you were a qualified GM to make that assertion. Which Jerry is not.

Not wanting to draft a certain player pretty much qualifies as not wanting someone on your roster. In essence, the scouts and Jerry Jones would have the final say on player acquisitions, not Jason Garrett.

 

[jiggyfly]

Yes, that would be a determining factor if there was a valid reason for going with your scouts over your coaches, other than, "hey, they're scouts!".

And you were a qualified GM to make that assertion. Which Jerry is not.

Not wanting to draft a certain player pretty much qualifies as not wanting someone on your roster. In essence, the scouts and Jerry Jones would have the final say on player acquisitions, not Jason Garrett.

Jason should not have the last word on all player acquisitions he is as unqualified as Jerry.

Now if says he does not want a particular player at all thats something different and nothing Jerry has said makes me think he would saddle Jason with a player he does not want around.

Just because he wants one guy over another does not mean he does not want him at all.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Jason should not have the last word on all player acquisitions he is as unqualified as Jerry.

Now if says he does not want a particular player at all thats something different and nothing Jerry has said makes me think he would saddle Jason with a player he does not want around.

Just because he wants one guy over another does not mean he does not want him at all.

When it comes down to the owner or the HC, which particularly applies to the Dallas Cowboys, only Jason Garrett knows the best players that fit the vision of a football team that he is trying to build. The scouts are supposed to work at his behest and get him those players, not act as a competing party.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

It's like trusting Brian Broaddus to construct your roster. Would you trust Brian Broaddus to do that? By the looks of our recent track record evaluating most of our draft pool, we seem to have a few of him in the scouting department.

 

[jiggyfly]

When it comes down to the owner or the HC, which particularly applies to the Dallas Cowboys, only Jason Garrett knows the best players that fit the vision of a football team that he is trying to build. The scouts are supposed to work at his behest and get him those players, not act as a competing party.

I agree with this somewhat but you act like all of these decisions are a death struggle, I am sure every person that reaches the pick phase has been ok'ed by Garret and are debated on their overall merits to the team.

This does not fit your narrative of Jerry putting people on the team Garrett does not want.

Even you have to admit that Garret should have minimal input in picking defensive players right?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I agree with this somewhat but you act like all of these decisions are a death struggle, I am sure every person that reaches the pick phase has been ok'ed by Garret and are debated on their overall merits to the team.

This does not fit your narrative of Jerry putting people on the team Garrett does not want.

Even you have to admit that Garret should have minimal input in picking defensive players right?

Sure, that's not his area of expertise, but even then, when push comes to shove, the defensive experts on this team will get overruled by a title. That of "scout". Certainly not one of merit.

 

[jiggyfly]

Sure, that's not his area of expertise, but even then, when push comes to shove, the defensive experts on this team will get overruled by a title. That of "scout". Certainly not one of merit.

So you think any coach should overrule any scout?

I don't agree and that is not the model favored by 80% of the NFL and its not the model followed by the last 2 super bowl winners.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

So you think any coach should overrule any scout?

I don't agree and that is not the model favored by 80% of the NFL and its not the model followed by the last 2 super bowl winners.

Of course, most teams follow the model of employing a bona-fide GM. Who heads the scouts and overrules them as need be ie. if there is a tie.

 

[jiggyfly]

Of course, most teams follow the model of employing a bona-fide GM. Who heads the scouts and overrules them as need be ie. if there is a tie.

OK so this is bad jerry rant and really has nothing to do with Garrett having players he dose not want on the team.

My bad I should have known.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

OK so this is bad jerry rant and really has nothing to do with Garrett having players he dose not want on the team.

My bad I should have known.

It actually does have everything to do with Garrett. Football minds responsible for the task of building rosters should be the ultimate tie-breaker. If you don't have a GM, it should fall on the HC.

Show me a model of an NFL team where scouts have the final say when it comes to tie-breakers in the warroom. And Jerry hasn't even specified which scouts, or scout has that responsibility.

Sounds like another episode of Jerry moving forward with a plan without thinking it through. Per the usual.

Nice cop-out though.

 

[jiggyfly]

It actually does have everything to do with Garrett. Football minds responsible for the task of building rosters should be the ultimate tie-breaker. If you don't have a GM, it should fall on the HC.

Show me a model of an NFL team where scouts have the final say when it comes to tie-breakers in the warroom. And Jerry hasn't even specified which scouts, or scout has that responsibility.

Sounds like another episode of Jerry moving forward with a plan without thinking it through. Per the usual.

Nice cop-out though.

So again this nothing to do with Garret having players on the team he does not want and is all about how you feel Jerry should not be making any decisions.

Just admit its a anti Jerry rant and not the role of a GM in the decision making process.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

So again this nothing to do with Garret having players on the team he does not want and is all about how you feel Jerry should not be making any decisions.

Just admit its a anti Jerry rant and not the role of a GM in the decision making process.

The fuck it doesnt have anything to do with Garrett. Or Rob Ryan.

Its an unheard of proposition for underlings/scouts be the ultimate tie-breaker. You think it isn't because...well...you're kind of an idiot.

 

[dbair1967]

Its an unheard of proposition for underlings/scouts be the ultimate tie-breaker. You think it isn't because...well...you're kind of an idiot.

The scouts probably break ties for alot of teams. They put together the draft boards, they watch the players year round. They tend to know more about the college players than anyone else.

And teams that honor their boards and draft the BPA's, are deferring to their scouts because the scouts are the one's assembling the board in the first place.

 

[cmd34]

No most teams have a General Manager who is actually accountable for his performance and he has the final say on draft picks.

The teams that don't, have an accountable Head Coach who gets final say.

Then there's us and the Bengals.

 

[dbair1967]

No most teams have a General Manager who is actually accountable for his performance and he has the final say on draft picks.

The teams that don't, have an accountable Head Coach who gets final say.

Then there's us and the Bengals.

GM's have scouts build the draft board. Many GM's draft to the board, hence the scouts are basically running the draft