Atheism to Defeat Religion By 2038

peplaw06 · Jun 23, 2012

Everlastingxxx said:
If you need god to keep you from murdering and raping people, by all means, please keep believing.

Nice distortion.

Survival of the fittest tho, amirite?

Everlastingxxx · Jun 23, 2012

peplaw06 said:
Nice distortion.

Survival of the fittest tho, amirite?

Nope. We all have to cohabit together.

peplaw06 · Jun 23, 2012

Everlastingxxx said:
Nope. We all have to cohabit together.

Sais who?

Everlastingxxx · Jun 23, 2012

peplaw06 said:
Sais who?

I know what you are getting at, the moral argument. http://wiki.ironchariots.org/index.php?title=Moral_argument There are tons of debates and info on it. I think Christians are also objective when it comes to their morals, example: homosexuality=bad, wearing mixed garments=ok. The bible thought slavery was ok, then people later agreed that it was not right. I believe our moral law evolves and is always evolving to better help us all live together.

skidadl · Jun 23, 2012

The moral argument could go on for pages but if you think we are evolving to become better morally I'm pretty sure you have lost your mind.

peplaw06 · Jun 23, 2012

Everlastingxxx said:
I know what you are getting at, the moral argument. http://wiki.ironchariots.org/index.php?title=Moral_argument There are tons of debates and info on it. I think Christians are also objective when it comes to their morals, example: homosexuality=bad, wearing mixed garments=ok. The bible thought slavery was ok, then people later agreed that it was not right. I believe our moral law evolves and is always evolving to better help us all live together.

Evolution of "moral law" doesn't address where the idea of morality comes from.

Cythim · Jun 24, 2012

peplaw06 said:
Evolution of "moral law" doesn't address where the idea of morality comes from.

Moral values come from the need to live in groups. Religion is often used to transmit these values but it did not create them.

peplaw06 · Jun 24, 2012

Cythim said:
Moral values come from the need to live in groups. Religion is often used to transmit these values but it did not create them.

Who created them?

Everlastingxxx · Jun 24, 2012

peplaw06 said:
Who created them?

Are you using a form of TAG?

All that stuff is pretty confusing. I think if there was a god, he wouldn’t make you use mental gymnastics to prove he exists. BTW, all the smart people have already proven that those arguments are fallacious.

NoDak · Jun 24, 2012

Everlastingxxx said:
BTW, all the smart people have already proven that those arguments are fallacious.

I've asked over and over in this thread for anybody to show me proof. But instead, we get more of this "derrr, da smaht people's no it, k?" All anybody has posted or shown is opinion. No proof.

Par for the course. Attack somebody's intelligence when there IS no proof, but you still claim there is.

peplaw06 · Jun 24, 2012

Everlastingxxx said:
Are you using a form of TAG?

All that stuff is pretty confusing. I think if there was a god, he wouldn’t make you use mental gymnastics to prove he exists. BTW, all the smart people have already proven that those arguments are fallacious.

I can see how it would be confusing if you didn't believe in a higher power. It's pretty simple if you do... the mental gymnastics come from when you believe that you should live a good life, just cuz.

jeebus · Jun 24, 2012

Cythim said:
Moral values come from the need to live in groups. Religion is often used to transmit these values but it did not create them.

Nietzsche does a fabulous job tracing how Christianity created new values and they began to overlay the customary "classical" values.

Basically I am saying you are just making up statements that you wish we're true and which are not based in any way on what actually happened and what's worst make no attempt tobe. You have an opinion, make up a rationalization for it and then claim some prehistorical justification for it. I am just glad we have your rational scientific mind actively slaying these religious charlatans.

I am also confident you could argue that Buddhism created new values that overlaid Hinduism. Your claim of ancient universality inmuttability of values is debunked.

Everlastingxxx · Jun 24, 2012

peplaw06 said:
I can see how it would be confusing if you didn't believe in a higher power. It's pretty simple if you do... the mental gymnastics come from when you believe that you should live a good life, just cuz.

Not confused about that. I live a good life because i choose to. Keep looking for a loop hole that tells you your religion is correct.

peplaw06 · Jun 24, 2012

Everlastingxxx said:
Not confused about that. I live a good life because i choose to. Keep looking for a loop hole that tells you your religion is correct.

lol

Yeah, I'm the one looking for a loophole...

Everlastingxxx · Jun 24, 2012

peplaw06 said:
lol

Yeah, I'm the one looking for a loophole...

Jesus said to go out and preach TAG, so that the world would know he is king!

:mock

superpunk · Jun 25, 2012

peplaw06 said:
I don't understand what the point is in living a good life if there is no higher power.

Common and terrifying sentiment from believers.

peplaw06 · Jun 25, 2012

superpunk said:
Common and terrifying sentiment from believers.

Oh right. We gotta bow down to the Obama. My bad, I forgot.

superpunk · Jun 25, 2012

I don't understand what the greatest president of all time has to do with anything.

Jon88 · Jun 25, 2012

superpunk said:
I don't understand what the greatest president of all time has to do with anything.

You're joking, right?

peplaw06 · Jun 25, 2012

superpunk said:
I don't understand what the greatest president of all time has to do with anything.

Common and terrifying sentiment from his followers.

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