Atheism to Defeat Religion By 2038

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More obfuscation. Might earn you points with the cabal of religious idiots :) but is really just making you look dumb or lazy. So far the sum of your rebuttal to my "There is no theological highground" stance is to say "the rapture's not in the bible, guys."

You're the one with the real Christianity. 2,000 years later you've finally sorted out all the pretenders.

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Oh, I see what you are saying. I thought I covered that already.

Here's my answer:

I don't claim to know all of the answers. I just think that the modern church has, for the most part, done what most of the world has accused them of. Which is being lazy and not knowing anything about the bible. They follow whatever Joe Preacher says but don't have a lot of depth to their beliefs.

You are claiming that I think that I know better than everyone but we haven't really discussed any specific things other than the rapture. So your stance is already on shaky grounds because you have accused me of doing something but failed to point to anything that I actually said. So far, you have no idea what those things are which I disagree with, so it seems that you are arguing with a whole bunch of nothing because you think that makes you a free thinker.

I'd love to talk about where I think the church has gone wrong but you don't seem interested in having a discussion about it.

The truth is, the church is losing it's effectiveness, which actually agrees with your original articles that you posted, lol. For some reason that makes me laugh. You are arguing against ideas that you think that I have (but haven't talked about yet) and seem annoyed by my original response that agreed with your article. lol, I don't know what to say.
 
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skidadl said:
Oh, I see what you are saying. I thought I covered that already.

Here's my answer:

I don't claim to know all of the answers. I just think that the modern church has, for the most part, done what most of the world has accused them of. Which is being lazy and not knowing anything about the bible. They follow whatever Joe Preacher says but don't have a lot of depth to their beliefs.

You are claiming that I think that I know better than everyone but we haven't really discussed any specific things other than the rapture. So your stance is already on shaky grounds because you have accused me of doing something but failed to point to anything that I actually said. So far, you have no idea what those things are which I disagree with, so it seems that you are arguing with a whole bunch of nothing because you think that makes you a free thinker.

I'd love to talk about where I think the church has gone wrong but you don't seem interested in having a discussion about it.
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There isn't really a discussion to be had, save in opinions. It is your opinion that the church has gone wrong but since the entire system is based on opinions and interpretations there is no way to label one correct - which is where you go wrong. They are all similarly correct in that they are all just commentaries on ancient literature. Therefore any argument beginning with "This is where the church has gone wrong" really just boils down to "this is where I disagree with the church based on my personal opinion".

There's no tower of truth to stand on here. It's all just guessing. So that's why I called you out when you start to declare things wrong, as though you reside on a theological high ground. That ground doesn't exist, noone is sitting on it. Your guess is as good as anyone else's from Nicea to today, and just as bad.
 
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OK, so what you are saying is that you don't believe the bible is worth studying. Why didn't you just say that?

What I don't get is why are you even discussing it? It's all crap and built on lies so whats the big deal?

Here's the thing - I believe scripture has eternal value to it. I believe that the bible has transcended time, languages and cultures. With that in mind I believe it can be studied and understood. I have dedicated a great deal of time and energy doing that. I believe that the teachings of Jesus in the bible and that it can be understood pretty clearly without confusion. So there can be error with not following those things.

If you are not down with that then get on with your life and go with it. If you don't want to discuss theology then don't. But don't pretend that you are. And don't pretend that I am clueless.
 
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skidadl said:
OK, so what you are saying is that you don't believe the bible is worth studying. Why didn't you just say that?

What I don't get is why are you even discussing it? It's all crap and built on lies so whats the big deal?

Here's the thing - I believe scripture has eternal value to it. I believe that the bible has transcended time, languages and cultures. With that in mind I believe it can be studied and understood. I have dedicated a great deal of time and energy doing that. I believe in the teachings of Jesus in the bible can be understood pretty clearly without confusion. So there can be error with not following those things.

If you are not down with that then get on with your life and go with it. If you don't want to discuss theology then don't. But don't pretend that you are. And don't pretend that I am clueless.
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When I am arguing that there is no theological high ground I'm assuming that anyone who examines the bible is on equal footing, not that the bible is worthless. My opinion of the bible has nothing to do with it. I can hold a lesser opinion of scripture than you and still be fully aware of how theology works, understanding that noone is more qualified than anyone else in that field. Unless you think there are some sort of supernatural qualifications at work which would just be silly. Everyone is looking at the same texts, diligently praying about it, cross-checking it with the body of scripture and reaching different conclusions that they personally feel they can support with scripture. Noone is right, and noone is wrong. If anyone pretends they are they are just a small amount of motivation away from starting a new Christian cult/sect.

I believe in the teachings of Jesus in the bible can be understood pretty clearly without confusion.
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What this amounts to is that you believe your interpretation is pretty easy to understand. I've got 2,000 years of history that prove that nothing in the bible is easy to understand without confusion or thousands of different interpretations.
 
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There's no tower of truth to stand on here. It's all just guessing. So that's why I called you out when you start to declare things wrong, as though you reside on a theological high ground. That ground doesn't exist, noone is sitting on it. Your guess is as good as anyone else's from Nicea to today, and just as bad.
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Exactly the point of most agnostics. No one knows. It's all a guess. Nothing can be proven one way or the other.

In this entire discussion it has been you that has tried taken the self-righteous high road. Not skid or anyone else.

You have come across as saying that what you say is fact, and that anyone that disagrees with that has to be wrong.

So, don't try this middle ground bullshit now. It flies in the face of what you're trying to preach, homes.
 
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Exactly the point of most agnostics. No one knows. It's all a guess. Nothing can be proven one way or the other.

In this entire discussion it has been you that has tried taken the self-righteous high road. Not skid or anyone else.

You have come across as saying that what you say is fact, and that anyone that disagrees with that has to be wrong.

So, don't try this middle ground bullshit now. It flies in the face of what you're trying to preach, homes.
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From a slight skimming of this post I can tell you're a ******.
 
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Everything Skidadl has said has been pretty weak. In the end he used his personal experience as some form of proof which was also pretty weak.

Next.
 
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superpunk said:
lol after all the cheerleading you and the Jeebus Bunch have been doing in this thread you're gonna toss this out here?
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I have stated my opinion on religion and bible stuff. Not trolling.

Climb back up on your horse. It's looking a bit lonely.
 
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Exactly the point of most agnostics. No one knows. It's all a guess. Nothing can be proven one way or the other.

In this entire discussion it has been you that has tried taken the self-righteous high road. Not skid or anyone else.

You have come across as saying that what you say is fact, and that anyone that disagrees with that has to be wrong.

So, don't try this middle ground bullshit now. It flies in the face of what you're trying to preach, homes.
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this is another reason you should actually try reading the thread instead of just skimming, cheerleading and then looking silly

how it all got started;

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Real Christianity is unfortunately mistaken for American Christianity. For good reason since the American church has basically bastardized the teachings of Jesus. It's no surprise that everyone is confused because they are going off the example placed before them rather than the truth.

The thing that gets me time and again about this debate is that the discussion gravitates towards the hot-button issues rather than any theology. That is unfortunate...lots of people would be less confused if so-called believers actually practiced the teachings of Jesus. The water would be less muddy and then folks could reject everything based on real Christianity rather than the made up version if that's what they chose.
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The crazy thing is how much real Christians talk shit on other Christians, who in turn talk shit on the real Christians.

The only real Christians are Catholics. They invented this shit. Everyone else needs to get over it.
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Took issue with one believer criticizing other believers for their interpretations of the fairy tale. Just how I was raised.
 
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That has jack nor shit to do with:

There's no tower of truth to stand on here. It's all just guessing. So that's why I called you out when you start to declare things wrong, as though you reside on a theological high ground. That ground doesn't exist, noone is sitting on it. Your guess is as good as anyone else's from Nicea to today, and just as bad.

Which is what I was replying to.
 
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Iamtdg said:
That has jack nor shit to do with:

There's no tower of truth to stand on here. It's all just guessing. So that's why I called you out when you start to declare things wrong, as though you reside on a theological high ground. That ground doesn't exist, noone is sitting on it. Your guess is as good as anyone else's from Nicea to today, and just as bad.

Which is what I was replying to.
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That has literally everything to do with it. It is a direct rebuttal of skidadl's "real christians" notion. Which was my only issue, which got clouded because noone reads or absorbs anything. Must be all the Holy spirit.
 
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That has literally everything to do with it. It is a direct rebuttal of skidadl's "real christians" notion. Which was my only issue, which got clouded because noone reads or absorbs anything. Must be all the Holy spirit.
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But it flies right in the face of what you are trying to get across. That the bible is dumb and people that believe in it are dumb.

No one frickin knows. Not even you. Your pompous ass may think you do, but you don't.

That was my point.

Go ahead and tell me to read the thread again and call me retarded, though, if it makes you feel better.

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