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if you're going to make such damning accusations, i'd have to think you'd investigate both sides equally. otherwise, you're just another agenda pusher.

for example - an interview where osama denied killing women and children:
from osama:
I have already said that I am not involved in the 11 September attacks in the United States. As a Muslim, I try my best to avoid telling a lie. I had no knowledge of these attacks, nor do I consider the killing of innocent women, children, and other humans as an appreciable act. Islam strictly forbids causing harm to innocent women, children, and other people.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/interview-with-osama-bin-laden-denies-his-involvement-in-9-11/24697

this was a "i didn't do it" interview.

this from wiki:
Bin Laden's ideology included the concept that civilians, including women and children, are legitimate targets of jihad.[54][55] Bin Laden was anti-Semitic, and delivered warnings against alleged Jewish conspiracies: "These Jews are masters of usury and leaders in treachery. They will leave you nothing, either in this world or the next."[56] Shia Muslims have been listed along with "heretics, [...] America, and Israel" as the four principal "enemies of Islam" at ideology classes of bin Laden's al-Qaeda organization.[57]
Bin Laden opposed music on religious grounds,[58] and his attitude towards technology was mixed. He was interested in "earth-moving machinery and genetic engineering of plants" on the one hand, but rejected "chilled water" on the other.[59]

so we have him saying he can't tell a lie, yet, he does.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osama_bin_Laden

he won't attack women and children cause that's just evil (yet he'll strap a bomb on a child to blow up a coffee shop)

so why don't you go back and look at al queda / osama attacks and see where he didn't give a flipshit about children and then tell me with a straight face how his denial based on such a claim has more cred than our government.

maybe both are lying. but god damn son, you let yourself believe some radical shit that can't be proven to justify what again, can't be proven by the same logic.
 

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I know what I believe sounds crazy, but when I put the pieces together it's the picture I get.

I also think Bin Laden was a CIA agent - an enemy we created.

[video=youtube;BCGFqQW8OdA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCGFqQW8OdA[/video]

This isn't what I'm basing that on, but it's some evidence.
 
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I know what I believe sounds crazy, but when I put the pieces together it's the picture I get.

I also think Bin Laden was a CIA agent - an enemy we created.

we did use him when convenient to us, no denying that fact.

but to say "islamists are stupid" - if i, or anyone countering this discussion, were to simply use a broad generalization, would you let us, or question it?

question it.
 

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we did use him when convenient to us, no denying that fact.

but to say "islamists are stupid" - if i, or anyone countering this discussion, were to simply use a broad generalization, would you let us, or question it?

question it.

They aren't the most intelligent people, but they aren't all stupid.
 

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Guys, he's putting "pieces" together.

And by "pieces" of course we're talking about YouTube videos from nut jobs like Alex Jones.
 
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Dodger not having an avatar further supports the theory that our government was more involved in 9/11 than the majority believes.
 
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Who's to say where the funds were coming from? Most of the hijackers were Saudis. We probably gave the Saudis money to give them. The hijackers thought everything was legit. This took a lot of planning to do, but think of the JFK Assassination as well. How many people have spoken out about it?
You do realize the more conspirators you get involved in the conspiracy the LESS likely it becomes that such a thing can be pulled off? It doesn't help your position at all.
 

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Radical Islamists aren't the most intelligent people. Bin Laden also refused to take responsibility for 9/11.

The whole plan was actually brilliant.

The video that shows him laughing about the attacks with some of his followers is not enough? He was talking about their planning of the attacks and how the plans came together. I would say that the video is all that I need to know. Yeah, he was behind it.

I can't believe this thread has this many post. Bigfoot has a better chance of being real than 9/11 being an inside job.
 

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It takes a major event for Americans to give up their rights or agree to a new foreign policy. We all got sucked on 9/11 as Parcells would say.

The airlines have more restrictions, but how has any of these changes effected your everyday life?
 
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Also not buying a tape that allegedly has Osama taking credit for the attacks.

Didn't you ever see Tango & Cash? Sound engineers edited a tape to manipulate all of their words and it got them wrongfully sent to prison. And that was 1989 or whatever. 12 years of technology before 9/11.
 
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Curious how noone ever saw Osama's body once he was killed and his body was disposed of at sea.

Supports his being a member of the CIA if you ask me. Whats that? Elections coming up? Oh, lets stage the killing of Osama to give Obama props then mysteriously dispose of his body. I bet he's still alive living in Vegas or some shit. Just finally retired from the CIA.
 

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Also not buying a tape that allegedly has Osama taking credit for the attacks.

Didn't you ever see Tango & Cash? Sound engineers edited a tape to manipulate all of their words and it got them wrongfully sent to prison. And that was 1989 or whatever. 12 years of technology before 9/11.

Why would they do that if Osama was working for the CIA all along? Wouldn't he just record it for them?
 

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It really doesn't look like him and I love how they conveniently found it at a house a few days after 9/11.
 
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