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So, NoDak, Sheik, cmd, dbair, IrvingCowboy, VACowboy tell me more how stupid superpunk is.

You do know that I see eye to eye with superpunk on politics. He's much more involved and knowledgeable on the subject, and probably more to the left than I am, but pretty much sympatico on politics.

Now our views on Jerry Jones? Not so much.
 
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Well they're your choices. And one has an actual plan for our economy. The other has a nonsense revenue-neutral piece of trash.

I'm assuming you believe the one with the plan is Obama? The same man who has been in office now four years, two of them with the Dems in control of both houses of Congress, and yet the economy is as bad now if not worse than when he took over 4 years ago.

So yeah, I think I'll go with the guy who has a plan, and one that doesn't include taxing the shat out of the job creators.
 

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The military always votes Republican. It doesn't hurt that most military officers tell their subordinates vote Republican, the Democrats want to take away your jobs, pay, etc.

Not guessing here either. Lived it.

Most are smart enough to know that anyway though.
 

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I'm assuming you believe the one with the plan is Obama? The same ban who has been in office now four years, two of them with the Dems in control of both houses of Congress, and yet the economy is as bad now if not worse than when he took over 4 years ago.

So yeah, I think I'll go with the guy who has a plan, and one that doesn't include taxing the shat out of the job creators.
Economy is eons better than it was four years ago bro pick up a newspaper sometime
 

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SP may not know much about the Cowboys but he is owning this thread

Rich=Job Creators what a joke
 

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Billionaires Get 'Low-Income' Tax Breaks in Condo Tower
By Robert Frank | CNBC – 21 hours ago.. .


The billionaires paying more than $90 million for top apartments at the new One57 tower in New York have some very special amenities. They get more than 10,000 square feet, 75 floors above Manhattan. They get VIP concierge and doorman services, along with some of the best views in the city.

The view from One57.But they may also get a less publicized benefit: tax breaks of more than $150,000 a year from a program aimed at low-income housing.


According to financial documents obtained by CNBC, One57 may receive a tax abatement under a long-existing city program designed to provide more low-income housing. The program, known as 421-a, gives developers tax breaks for 10 to 20 years, which are then passed on to buyers. At One57, those savings may be substantial.

Take the "penthouse" on the 75th and 76th floor. The apartment, at 13,554 square feet, reportedly sold for more than $90 million to an unknown billionaire. (The building is still under construction and will open next year). Normally, the annual real-estate taxes on the apartment would be around $230,000 a year. With the special abatements, however, the taxes are projected to be only be $20,000 a year - saving the owner $210,000 a year in real-estate taxes.

The penthouse on the 89th and 90th floor gets similar-sized savings. The unit, which also reportedly sold for $90 million or more, would normally be assessed real-estate taxes of $205,000 a year. The tax abatements, however, allow the owner to pay only $18,400 a year, providing a savings of more than $186,000 a year.

(More From CNBC: New York's Most Expensive Apartments)


The tax savings for the units on floors 75 through 90 add up to more than $1.5 million a year, according to the documents. The tax savings are in effect for two years, then are reduced by 20 percent every two years for 10 years, according to people familiar with the building.

Although the building has applied for the tax benefits, they have yet to receive final approval, according to city records.

"This is an outrageous giveaway," said Brad Lander, a New York City councilman who has worked to end tax breaks for luxury condos. "We can't afford to be giving away millions of dollars in tax breaks for nothing."

The tax-reduction program has come under fierce criticism over the years. According to the city's Independent Budget Office, 421-a cost the city more than $1 billion in revenue in the latest budget year.

(More From CNBC: CEO Tells Workers He May Fire Them if Obama Wins Election)

As originally designed, the program requires to allocate at least 20 percent of their units to low-income families, in return for tax breaks of up to 80 percent. It's a badly kept secret in Manhattan that the program is often used by luxury developers.

One57 used a popular loophole in the law that allowed the developers to take the tax benefit for the building overlooking the park, but fund the affordable housing units in another location. One57 bought credits or "certificates" that helped fund those affordable housing units in outer bouroughs, according to city records.

Gary Barnett, founder of Extell Development, which built One57, said that his building has followed all the guidelines for the program, and that through the 421-a program, One57 has helped build "countless" affordable housing units in the Bronx, Brooklyn and elsewhere. The benefits, he added, would mainly flow to Extell rather than the buyers. While the buyers would reap the tax savings, those lower taxes have allowed him to charge more for the units, he said.

"We've had some benefit because of the abatements, but the real benefits have been to affordable housing," he said. "We've done exactly what the program was intended to do, which is to create affordable housing."

He added that the tax breaks have also lowered his cost basis and given him more confidence to launch the project, "which creates more construction jobs, brokers' jobs and all the knock-on effects."

(More From CNBC: Affluent Prefer Good Weather Over Lower Taxes)

Since the loophole allowing certificates has largely been closed, he said, "affordable housing has really slowed down in the city."

The tax breaks for One57 are likely to cause a larger firestorm, however, since the building has become a symbol of hyper-priced real estate sales in Manhattan. The news also comes at a time of financial austerity in New York, with the mayor threatening layoffs to help cut $2 billion in spending.

Media reports say that two of the buyers for some of the top floor units include Silas Chou, the billionaire who took Michael Kors public, and Lawrence Stroll, a Canadian billionaire.
 

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When rich people take advantage of those breaks and loopholes, they are smart.

When poor people do it they are gaming the system.
 

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Maybe the problem is people's expectations of either party. Maybe they are pinning too much hope on them.
 

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I'd replace "expectations" with "dependence".

It's reasonable to have high expectations for your Gov, the problem is that there is too much dependence on the Gov.

We've created a monster, and it's a shame because it can't be stopped.
 

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I'd replace "expectations" with "dependence".

It's reasonable to have high expectations for your Gov, the problem is that there is too much dependence on the Gov.

We've created a monster, and it's a shame because it can't be stopped.

Yeah, I guess. But I'm talking about everyone buying into both candidates' programs to ease the national debt.
 

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I feel like you're making a mountain out of something less than a molehill.

Raging against some class of people that either doesn't exist or is too small to care about - but you resent the ones that do exist so you are able to get worked up over it. What percentage of our society is unnecessarily "dependent" upon the government? (meaning they could support themselves if they really wanted to but don't.) In my opinion that is a VERY small number.
 

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I feel like you're making a mountain out of something less than a molehill.

Raging against some class of people that either doesn't exist or is too small to care about - but you resent the ones that do exist so you are able to get worked up over it. What percentage of our society is unnecessarily "dependent" upon the government? (meaning they could support themselves if they really wanted to but don't.) In my opinion that is a VERY small number.

How small? Like, say..... maybe.... 1%? Is that number small enough where people shouldn't be raging against it?
 
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Just got back from a speech from the US Representative from my district.

He said 2/3 of federal spending is entitlement programs. It's to the point where if you cut all of the other federal spending to zero, we would still be running a deficit just from entitlement spending.

That's ridiculous.
 

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It's also not true?

I'm fairly certain that "welfare programs" (which encompasses all sorts of things from medicaire to veterans benefits, etc) matches our defense spending, and each account for approximately 20% of the budget. I will look later.
 
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