Why do white people care about changing the name of the redskins so bad

[Jon88]

If you aren't offended or personally affected by the term then what's the problem?

Typical attorney. Go see if you can chase an ambulance. You need something to do.

 

[bbgun]

I guess it all depends on the intent behind it huh? ****** can be used in a merely descriptive manner as well. You certainly can't claim that "Redskin" has never been used pejoratively.

If it was, those people are long since dead. I've heard people put down NA's as hopeless drunks, but not deride them as "redskins."

 

[marionbarberthe4th]

If Jon and pep is the new board rivalry I would like to renew my lifetime subscription to this board

 

[superpunk]

If it was, those people are long since dead. I've heard people put down NA's as hopeless drunks, but not deride them as "redskins."

Washington Jiggaboos

 

[peplaw06]

If you aren't offended or personally affected by the term then what's the problem?

What do empathy mean?

Typical attorney. Go see if you can chase an ambulance. You need something to do.

wow, good one.

 

[peplaw06]

If it was, those people are long since dead. I've heard people put down NA's as hopeless drunks, but not deride them as "redskins."

So it's ok if it hasn't been used in years? And I also don't think it matters whether or not you've witnessed the term used in that manner. It's pretty clear there are people alive right now who are offended by the nickname.

 

[bbgun]

So it's ok if it hasn't been used in years? And I also don't think it matters whether or not you've witnessed the term used in that manner. It's pretty clear there are people alive right now who are offended by the nickname.

The point is that, unlike ni**er, it didn't start out as an insult, and Snyder and co. shouldn't have to pay for a few (long deceased) bigots who bastardized the word.

 

[peplaw06]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/13/roger-goodell-redskins_n_3436917.html

This Washington football team was named by one of the most vehement racists in the history of American professional sports. When George Marshall bought the team in 1932, they were called the Boston Braves. He changed the name -- to a slur, because he was a racist -- and moved them to Washington. He made “Dixie” one of the team’s fight songs and refused to hire black players well into the 1960s. The NFL integrated in 1946 but Marshall’s team held out until the federal government actually forced them to field black players in 1963. The all-white Washington teams of the 1950s and 1960s were among the worst in the league, but segregation was more important to Marshall than winning football games. The NFL had actually already been racially integrated until black players were suddenly banned in 1933. Interviews with owners suggest that Marshall was responsible for the ban.

This is the man who named the team, and white supremacy and racism obviously informed this decision. In his will he insisted that his foundation not spend any money on “any purpose which supports or employs the principle of racial integration in any form.” It is extremely hard to believe that this man selected the name -- specially changed the name from a less offensive term for American Indians to this term -- to “honor” anyone, the usual argument used by the team’s modern defenders.


lolhuffpolol

 

[peplaw06]

The point is that, unlike ni**er, it didn't start out as an insult, and Snyder and co. shouldn't have to pay for a few (long deceased) bigots who bastardized the word.

My counterpoint is... if you know that bigots bastardized the word, then why cling to it? Shouldn't you want to distance yourself from the bigots?

 

[bbgun]

My counterpoint is... if you know that bigots bastardized the word, then why cling to it? Shouldn't you want to distance yourself from the bigots?

because then the bigots (assuming they exist) win. why give them the satisfaction? conversely, gays took the word "queer" (another pejorative) and smartly co-opted it.

 

[marionbarberthe4th]

I'm being serious, what are the native Americans actually saying? Assuming they care enough to voice an opinion

 

[Jon88]

I'm being serious, what are the native Americans actually saying? Assuming they care enough to voice an opinion

They don't care, but there are plenty of people who care for them.

 

[ThoughtExperiment]

I'm being serious, what are the native Americans actually saying? Assuming they care enough to voice an opinion

That's what I wondered. Apparently there are conflicting reports. Some polls supposedly say they don't mind it, some claim they do.

 

[marionbarberthe4th]

So the owner named them redskins just to stick it to the native Americans? What a dick, what was his beef

 

[bbgun]

I'm being serious, what are the native Americans actually saying? Assuming they care enough to voice an opinion

depends on who you ask. in any event, it's not a referendum.

 

[bbgun]

So the owner named them redskins just to stick it to the native Americans? What a dick, what was his beef

that's never been proven. that was just Huffpo trying to read the mind of a dead man.

 

[marionbarberthe4th]

That's what I wondered. Apparently there are conflicting reports. Some polls supposedly say they don't mind it, some claim they do.

How much of a consensus do you need? You have to account for the bored asshole contingency who would vote the cowboys change their name just to be a nuisance.

I suppose if the number offended greatly outweighs those offended by the braves and Seminoles etc. then that's something to consider

 

[marionbarberthe4th]

that's never been proven. that was just Huffpo trying to read the mind of a dead man.

Seems like it would be an odd decision to name your beloved pride and joy

 

[VTA]

Seems like it would be an odd decision to name your beloved pride and joy

True. If you're a racist, why name your team, who's entire reason for existing is to win, after a people you supposedly hate and who did anything but win?

 

[bbgun]

Seems like it would be an odd decision to name your beloved pride and joy

the word "redskin" wasn't considered racist or controversial when he made the change, so ascribing racism to his motives in 2013 is silly if not reckless.